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Skriven 2009-06-17 20:49:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
Kommentar till en text av Earl Croasmun
Ärende: Re-examining Torture
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You are truly getting pitiful on this.
~>> ~>> ~>> I notice you have abandoned
~>> ~>> ~>> your claim that the japanese pumped people full of water as
~>> ~>> ~>> their method of waterboarding, which was the issue.
EC> ...
~>> EC> Yes, you claimed that it was "abandoned" and you claimed
~>> EC> that it was I who abandoned it. The historical evidence on
~>> EC> the nature of the Japanese "water cure" was clear, and you
~>> EC> once again ignored it.
~>> It had appeared you had abandoned your assertion that there was
~>> only one or two water cures that were nothing like the US
~>> method.
EC> You are babbling incoherently again. The water cure was
EC> not just used on one or two.
Your dislexia is showing again. That is not what I said.
...
EC> The so-called "water treatment" was commonly applied. The
EC> victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position;
EC> and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into
EC> his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Pressure
EC> was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to
EC> force the water out. The usual practice was to revive the
EC> victim and successively repeat the process. There was
...
EC> THAT is the practice that YOU claim is identical to what
EC> was done by the US to three terrorists six years ago.
No, it is not.
From lawofwar.org/protected persons.htm
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Consider then, this testimony about his treatment in Tokyo,by
CPT Chase Nielsen a member of the aircrew of one of the bombers
on the Doolittle Raid against Japan in April, 1942. Captain
Nielsen was captured by the Japanese in China and returned to
Japan for interrogation.
Q: What other physical treatment was administered to you at
that time?
A: Well, I was given what they call the water cure.
Q: Explain to the Commission what that was.
A: Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was
wrapped around my face and put across my face and water was
poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost
unconscious from strangulation, then they would let me up until
I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again.
Q: When you regained consciousness would they keep asking you
questions?
A: Yes sir they did.
Q: How long did this treatment continue?
A: About twenty minutes.
Q: What was your sensation when they were pouring water on the
towel, what did you physically feel?
A: Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping
between life and death.
/United States v. Sawada/ et a., Trial Record, Volume I,
p.55.18 March, 1946.
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EC> "During WW2 both forms were used by the Japanese, and
EC> Japanese military personell, and some civilians, were
EC> prosecuted for using the same method the US interrogators."
You just said the same thing I said, didn't you?
EC> And for all of your blithering and diversions, you cannot
EC> show that it is even close to being "the same."
From lawofwar.org/protected persons.htm
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A: Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was
wrapped around my face and put across my face and water was
poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost
unconscious from strangulation, then they would let me up until
I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again.
Q: When you regained consciousness would they keep asking you
questions?
A: Yes sir they did.
Q: How long did this treatment continue?
A: About twenty minutes.
/United States v. Sawada/ et a., Trial Record, Volume I,
p.55.18 March, 1946.
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EC> And it was also used on Chase Nielsen. You brought up the
EC> example but you were ignorant on what was actually done to
From lawofwar.org/protected persons.htm
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Consider then, this testimony about his treatment in Tokyo,by
CPT Chase Nielsen a member of the aircrew of one of the bombers
on the Doolittle Raid against Japan in April, 1942. Captain
Nielsen was captured by the Japanese in China and returned to
Japan for interrogation.
Q: What other physical treatment was administered to you at
that time?
A: Well, I was given what they call the water cure.
Q: Explain to the Commission what that was.
A: Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was
wrapped around my face and put across my face and water was
poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost
unconscious from strangulation, then they would let me up until
I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again.
Q: When you regained consciousness would they keep asking you
questions?
A: Yes sir they did.
Q: How long did this treatment continue?
A: About twenty minutes.
Q: What was your sensation when they were pouring water on the
towel, what did you physically feel?
A: Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping
between life and death.
/United States v. Sawada/ et a., Trial Record, Volume I,
p.55.18 March, 1946.
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EC> You claimed that the same thing is done by US
EC> interrogators, but at this point no sane person would
EC> believe you. And you claimed that Japanese were convicted
EC> of war crimes for doing THE SAME THING that US
Now you are confusing me with someone else. I said some were
prosecuted, someone else said they were executed.
EC> interrogators do, which is even more farfetched. This is
EC> the point where you make stuff up, play word games, or try
EC> to cover your humiliation with counter-accusations. Regular
EC> as clockwork.
No, I just present a sourced reference, while you sink deeper
and deeper into pitiable status.
From lawofwar.org/protected persons.htm
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Consider then, this testimony about his treatment in Tokyo,by
CPT Chase Nielsen a member of the aircrew of one of the bombers
on the Doolittle Raid against Japan in April, 1942. Captain
Nielsen was captured by the Japanese in China and returned to
Japan for interrogation.
Q: What other physical treatment was administered to you at
that time?
A: Well, I was given what they call the water cure.
Q: Explain to the Commission what that was.
A: Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was
wrapped around my face and put across my face and water was
poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost
unconscious from strangulation, then they would let me up until
I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again.
Q: When you regained consciousness would they keep asking you
questions?
A: Yes sir they did.
Q: How long did this treatment continue?
A: About twenty minutes.
Q: What was your sensation when they were pouring water on the
towel, what did you physically feel?
A: Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping
between life and death.
/United States v. Sawada/ et a., Trial Record, Volume I,
p.55.18 March, 1946.
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BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn
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