Text 12649, 146 rader
Skriven 2010-04-13 21:38:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Bob Ackley
Ärende: (1/2) Obama Derangement S
=================================
 BA> Replying to a message of BOB KLAHN to BOB ACKLEY:

 BK>>  Just because the federal govt is not allowed to do
 BK>> something  that doesn't mean the states can.

 BA> It does if the something isn't specifically forbidden by the
 BA> Cosntitution or by the states' constitutions.

 The second part of your sentence is crucial. And whether or not
 the people of the state will allow it.

 ...

 BA>>> Insurance *IS* part of risk management.

 BK>>  Yeah, for the patient, not the insurance company.

 BA> You don't understant the concept of insurance - nor do most
 BA> people who support Obamacare.

 If you mean that as a negation of my comment, then tell me, why
 should anyone want to pay money to manage risk for the insurance
 company?

 I understand the concept of insurance, you are promoting the
 corporate version of insurance.

 ...

 BA>>> Hardly.  The point is to *control* the health care system,
 BA>>> just as Medicare is about the *control* of health care
 BA>>> provided to the elderly in this country.

 BK>>  Which is so silly as to not even count as a meaningful
 BK>>  statement. You seem to think you know the motives of
 BK>> everyone  who disagrees with you.

 BA> Yep.

 Nope.

 BK>>>>  You can round up 1000 randomly selected people, and I can
 BK>>>>  guarantee every single one of them will require food
 BK>>>> within the  next two weeks, or they will never require
 BK>>>> food again.

 BK>>>>  You cannot tell me which of that 1000 people will require
 BK>>>> what  medical care in the next two weeks.

 BA>>> True.

 BK>>>>  That is the difference, and that makes your challenge a
 BK>>>> fraud.

 BK>>>>  On top of that, you mischaracterise National Health Care.
 BK>>>> It  doesn't take over health care, it just guarantees it
 BK>>>> will be  covered.

 BA>>> No it doesn't.  That may be what Obama is claiming, but it
 BA>>> isn't true.

 BK>>  Oh? Then how does it control but not insure coverage?

 BA> By denying coverage.

 Please show that. I see no where that has been promoted by
 anyone. In fact, universal coverage is mandated.

 ...

 BA>>> Good.  Then your right to health care includes the
 BA>>> responsibility that *you* pay for it.

 BK>>  Yep, and we do.

 BK>> National health care includes insurance
 BK>>  exchanges where you can buy your own insurance, and
 BK>> continues  employer provided insurance, and subsidies for
 BK>> insurance for  those who cannot afford it. All nice private
 BK>> sector insurance.

 BA> You can believe that if you want to.  I believe that all
 BA> that nice private sector insurance will go away as insurors
 BA> abandon that government-controlled market.  Then you will

 And I believe you are wrong. And international experience
 supports my view.

 BA> have that "single payer" system you want.  After that

 I advocate a Swiss system, with private sector insurance.

 BA> happens the government can go about its goal of eliminating
 BA> private *providers*, and once that is accomplished there it
 BA> will be a *single provider" system.

 Not likely. Don't see that in the systems I have been talking
 about. Germany has the oldest national health care system in the
 world, and that hasn't happened.

 BK>>  Medicare and medicaid are not significantly affected.

 BK>>>>  You may have a well, but is the water clean?

 BA>>> It is not treated.  Out of the well pump into the water
 BA>>> taps in the house, no filters.

 BK>>>> Have you had it  tested?

 BA>>> Yes.

 BK>>>> Is it poluted by industries that the government
 BK>>>> didn't  regulate because too many people said the govt
 BK>>>> shouldn't  regulate?

 BA>>> No.  My well water has a high but not unsafe concentration
 BA>>> of nitrates because it's located in the middle of a corn
 BA>>> field.

 BK>>  If it wasn't safe, what would you do?

 BA> Call Culligan and have them install a
 BA> filtration/purification system - at my expense, of course.
 BA> Approximately $2K for my existing system and problem, or
 BA> about $20/month if I want to lease rather than purchase the
 BA> equipment.

 If that takes care of the specific pollutants you are dealing
 with.

 BA> Or I can buy filtered drinking water at the local
 BA> supermarkets and use that for drinking and cooking, and use
 BA> the non-potable well water for washing.

 Expensive enough.

 BK>> Tap into a non-existant  municipal system? Your clean water challenge



BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... Star-Trek IV, take it in your veins without it passing through your mind.
 * Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5a
 * Origin: FidoTel & QWK on the Web! www.fidotel.com (1:124/311)