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Skriven 2010-05-14 06:20:00 av Dave Drum (17186.polinc)
  Kommentar till text 13304 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
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-=> Bob Klahn wrote to Dave Drum <=-

 DD> 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to
 DD> illegal aliens each year by state governments.
 DD> Verify at:
 DD> http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrati
 DD> onissuecenters7fd8

 BK>  Uh... trillian dollar war, $110 billion for welfare for illegals
 BK>  over that period? Assuming that is correct.

I didn't fact check the origins of the e-mail being responded to. But, as with
most e-mails like that the "fact" cites are, no doubt, cherry picked.
 
 DD> 2.  $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance
 DD> programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches
 DD> for illegal aliens.

 DD> Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML
 DD> "

 DD> ---------- >B CUT 12 MORE SPECIOUS CLAIMS 8<---------------

 DD> "The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A
 DD> YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING
 DD> THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD
 DD> BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS
 DD> COUNTRY.

 BK>  ...

 DD> -+-

 DD> We did - and you still aren't happy. You must like to piss
 DD> and moan a lot.

 DD> Do some research.
 DD> http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

 DD> Since you GREEDY Americans want Slave-labor, you can blame
 DD> yourselves for these problems you speak of.

 BK>  Not true. We greedy Americans do not want slave labor, nor do we
 BK>  want illegal aliens. Now some buisnees people do, and some of
 BK>  the wealthy, but we ordinarly working Americans don't.

I asked my friend, who penned this about his take on that ... and he agrees
with you. Except for the Joe Six-packs and others who hire illegals to mow
their grass, clean the garage, paint the house, etc. all at bullshit wages.
 
 BK>  ...

 DD> Lawmakers allow slave labor due to lax penalties. Now we
 DD> have to suffer the consequences--Illegals are here to stay
 DD> and until they can legally pay taxes, we'll continue to pay
 DD> their human services bills. Also being extremely underpaid
 DD> leads to criminal activity.

 BK>  So boot them out.

Good luck on getting that done. Maybe we should turn the tracking of illegals
over to Publisher's Clearing House. They seemingly can find you no matter where
you are.  Bv)=   Can't be any worse than the gummint efforts ... no matter what
administration is at the fore during the term. 
 
 DD> Many illegals would like to pay into the tax system but
 DD> they cannot because they're illegal aliens.

 BK>  False. Many illegal aliens do pay into the tax system. Many
 BK>  illegal aliens hold legitimate jobs, even though they hold them
 BK>  illegitimately.

Those who have had the foresight to buy an identity. Many is not all - or even
most.
 
 DD> You hate-filled, so-called, "In God You Trust" people would
 DD> rather blame the immigrants and sweep the whole thing under
 DD> the rug instead of fessing up and saying, "OK, what can we
 DD> do to rectify this in a humane fashion?"

 BK>  Put the employers in prison, and take away their business.
 BK>  Simple.

Absolutely. But, most of the business owners will be supported and excused by
that (big) segment of the public and politicians who (like several in this
echo) measure real worth by net worth. 
 
 DD> If all were made legal and were able to pay taxes on a
 DD> decent American wage, then this would pay for the mess WE
 DD> created.

 BK>  And encourage millions more to come here. Given two million
 BK>  illegals in 1987, when Reagan signed the amnesty, and 12 million
 BK>  now, legalizing 12 million is likely to lead to 50 million next
 BK>  time.

Ain't no easy answers. The grass is always greener on some side of the fence. 
 
 DD> Had *you* not hired illegals at sub-human wages, they would
 DD> have no reason to cross the border, would have long ago
 DD> risen up and DEMAND their government to fix things so they
 DD> could stay home and make a decent wage to support their
 DD> families.

 BK>  Yep. Put the employers in prison.

 BK>  ...

 DD> It seems as though you would prefer to load illegals into
 DD> box cars the way Hitler did with Jews.

 BK>  Really really dumb. Had Hitler shipped the Jews to Israel, they
 BK>  would have been delighted.

Well, yeah. But Herr Schickelgruber didn't think that way. And at the time he
held sway in Germany there was no Israel. It was called Palestine.   Bv)=
 
 DD> A better start would be to require anyone caught hiring
 DD> illegals to spend 10 YEARS in prison with no parole.

 BK>  Ok. Even more than I would have given them.

 DD> Then, allow the existing non-criminal illegals to earn a
 DD> fair LEGAL wage and PAY TAXES to support the services they
 DD> now use for free thanks to your LOCAL GREEDY AMERICAN
 DD> BUSINESS OWNER who is to blame for all of this.

 BK>  Nope. Blame is not the issue. Solving the problem is the issue.

Good luck on that. Smarter folk than thee and me have been fretting about it
for years. 
 
 DD> I've been saying this for the past 6 years and just the
 DD> other day I heard that this is how it may play out in the
 DD> next few months--STIFF penalty for those caught hiring
 DD> illegals and the ability for non-criminal illegals to pay
 DD> taxes.

 BK>  They have that ability now. However, even under the most humane
 BK>  solution, there is a difference between the one who has raised a
 BK>  family here and built a life, and the ones who came across the
 BK>  border last year and have no established life here.

 BK>  If any are to be legalized, that doesn't excuse legalizing all
 BK>  of them.

Part of the solution needs to be a path for the "established" illegals to get
legal. Something fair and with fairly stiff, but not overly onerous,
requirements.

ENJOY!!!

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