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Skriven 2006-05-14 13:05:00 av BOB KLAHN (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ROSS CASSELL
Ärende: Tax breaks
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 JM>>> The point is, Wayne makes a big deal about how much of a tax break
 JM>>> a millionaire gets  but ignores how much  a millionaire pays. Just
 JM>>> how much of the total tax burden is paid by the top 10%?

 TR>> Pretty much anywhere you `Google' for information....you find that the
 TR>> top are already paying over two thirds of the income tax!

 Pretty much anywhere you google for information you find people
 who talk as if income tax was the only tax there is. The
 question was the total tax burden, not just the income tax.

 RC> Thats not good enough, the mantra of the Democrats is the
 RC> successful must be punished, its not good enough that they
 RC> already pay the bulk of all income tax revenue, they wont
 RC> be considered having paid in "their fair share" until they
 RC> are taxed at 100%! Just ask any of them in here!

 Yes, do that. They will laugh in your face, or typeface. If you
 ever looked at what the total tax burden was you would learn the
 income tax is only a portion of the picture. A few years ago the
 dept of labor released their report on spending vs income. The
 top 20% paid about 50% of all taxes, and the top 20% have about
 50% of income. That sounds fair.

 TR>> Further...raising taxes does `not' re-distribute wealth. Another fact
 TR>> is...the poor do not lobby, do not contribute to political campaigns,
 TR>> and not very many of them vote, anyway.

 Raising taxes is supposed to pay for the government. Cutting
 taxes does redistribute wealth, from the poor and middle class
 to the wealthy.

 RC> Some of them do, they vote strictly Democrat out of
 RC> appreciation for the social welfare programs the Dems
 RC> provide them and we both know someone who has shown this
 RC> appreciation.

 If anyone should appreciate the social welfare programs it's the
 middle and upper classes, as they are protected from depression
 by those very social welfare programs, and are given a basic
 stability to the social system that provides their middle and
 upper class lifestyles.

 RC> The African American population falls into this trap as
 RC> well, I was talking to a African American co-worker just
 RC> prior to the 2004 election and asked him who he was going
 RC> to vote for in a local election, he asked me who was
 RC> running, I told him, he asked me which one was the
 RC> "Democrat", I said so and so, he answered, that guy.

 And how does that not mean he would vote for the candidate who
 represents the party that best protects the legal and civil
 rights of blacks? After all, Nixon was the one who pushed
 welfare and affirmative action. And right wingers kept telling
 me how Reagan increased welfare payments. Those same right
 wingers told me Carter did not increase them, and it was Clinton
 who started to move to get people off welfare. Sounds like
 democrats are doing what republicans talk about.

 TR>> The tax rate of the top 0.01 percent was  slightly more than 32
 TR>> percent in 2000. Its down to around 28.1 now.

 RC> Too low, the DEMS want this number at 100%.

 The tax rate of those earning over $1mill was about 29%, as of
 2002, on an average income of $2.8 mill. So what? If you get the
 benefits pay the price.

 RC> Dont you find it funny that their tax rate, even with the
 RC> "cuts", is darn near double the rate that most middle to
 RC> low income people are taxed at, yet they are accused of not
 RC> paying "their fair share"?

 Their tax rate is no where near their income tax rate. The
 original subject was the total tax burden. As to their fair
 share, if you get the benefits you should pay the taxes. Middle
 and low income earners don't have the disposable income after
 survival to pay that rate, and they pay more of their income in
 payroll taxes and sales taxes. All that with fewer means of
 shielding their income from taxation.

 TR>> But..the ones in the higher income brackets pay the lions share of the
 TR>> income taxes. Poor people, and those who do not work at all, pay `no'
 TR>> taxes. None.

 Really badly wrong. Poor people and those who don't work at all
 pay sales taxes, and social security, and medicare, and excise
 taxes, and property taxes and all sorts of taxes.

 The dept of labor report on expenditures as a percent of income
 showed all income groups actually paying in a fairly small
 range for total tax burden. One tax balances off against another
 between income ranges.

 RC> But pretend to think they have the authority to tell people
 RC> what they need with their money.

 Funny, when the "conservatives" pretend to have the authority to
 force people to invest in retirement accounts I don't see anyone
 on the right using that arguement.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... "Now I'm here, and history is vindicated." - Calvin
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