Text 5986, 69 rader
Skriven 2008-01-18 18:23:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Daniel Prather
Ärende: Pro-Choice
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 DP>   Re: Pro-Choice
 DP>   By: Bob Klahn to Daniel Prather on Wed Jan 16 2008 05:30
 DP>   pm

 >>  DP> Driving a car is a little bit different than control over
 >>  DP> your own body.
 >>
 >>  Not in the reference in which you were speaking.

 DP> On this we'll have to disagree.  I see them as very
 DP> different issues, and while driving isn't necessarily an
 DP> absolute right, control over your own body always should be.

 I thought that when I was 1A. Now I realize absolutes are not
 all that easy to find.

 >>  DP> Ah hah.  Now, at which point is it a person?  2 cells?  4?

 >>  That is a good question. And one the pro-abortion side evades.

 DP> Pro-abortion side.  Right.  There are two points you can
 DP> look at.  You can either base it on birth, which is a nice,
 DP> clear line.  Or, you can try to determine viability.

 Or you can just try to find the point where the difference is
 enough for you to say with certainty, this is and this isn't.

 DP> Neither of these happens within the timeframe of the
 DP> majority of all abortions.

 How much of the minority of abortions are you willing to ban?

 >>  You mean at which point do the rights of the person inside her
 >>  etc.

 DP> Again, at which point is it a person, and at which point is
 DP> it a potential person?  I say it's a potential person until
 DP> it's either viable or born.

 I accept your concession that abortion of a viable fetus should
 be illegal.

 >>  Whether you support it or not, you said you refused to discuss
 >>  it. Not even remotely the same thing. And that is what I was
 >>  addressing.

 DP> I didn't say I refused to discuss it, I said it was
 DP> pointless to discuss it.

 So, you agree to discuss that which you say is pointless to
 discuss. Ok, I get it now.

 DP> Those who seek to relegate a woman
 DP> to the position of "mobile incubator" have no rational
 DP> justification for doing other than "because I believe".

 Those who will relegate a baby to death before birth have no
 rational justification for doing other than "Because I don't
 believe."

 Oversimplification is every debater's right.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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