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Skriven 2008-01-22 12:17:04 av JOHNJWILSON
     Kommentar till en text av BOB KLAHN
Ärende: Pro-Choice
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->  DP> That's viability, and one of the two options I offered.
-> 
->  Is it? Is a baby who cannot live outside the womb not a human
->  being?

It depends on whether it can vote or not,

and what its credit rating is.

Outside the womb it depends on whether it posts in FIDO.

THAT is hard to decide.

IOW, even after birth the baby
->  is not "viable" without someone taking care of it.

Oh yeah? How many times has that really been tried?

I say, give 'em a challenge! They'll be better for it...


->  Now, how does that qualify as a human life, but before
->  "viablity" it does not?

'Cause if you ain't viable, you ain't gonna complain about it.
-> 

-> 
->  Warranted? Or convenient? If a viable fetus is a human life,
->  then aborting a viable fetus is killing a human being...

Damn! That 'un could have made it. Guess I'll be charged with murder...

Wait! It'll eventually go to heaven without the

trouble of living in this wicked world. Break out the champaign!

Ahem

Some people are so unattractive

Birth control should be retroactive.

(Some OTHER master poet...)







 Somehow
->  ascribing infinite rights to one person over another should be
->  more than a casual toss off philosophical decision.
-> 
->  >>  So, you agree to discuss that which you say is pointless to
->  >>  discuss. Ok, I get it now.
-> 
->  DP> Yeah, it's no skin off my back.  We just won't reach any
->  DP> sort of agreement on anything.
-> 
->  If reaching agreement was a requirement to participation in
->  discussion Fido would have folded up two weeks after it started.
-> 
->  >>  Those who will relegate a baby to death before birth have no
->  >>  rational justification for doing other than "Because I don't
->  >>  believe."
-> 
->  >>  Oversimplification is every debater's right.
-> 
->  DP> A woman's body will often do this via miscarriages.  There
-> 
->  Irrelevant. What is not possible is not the basis for deciding
->  what is right of that which is possible.
-> 
->  DP> are also a number of other areas where the potential life
->  DP> of the fetus and the mother's life are in contention.  If a
-> 
->  And that is another area entirely. Protecting the mothers life
->  and health are a whole nother point of discussion. Nobody said
->  it was simple. Ok, some fundies might, but even most of them
->  don't.
-> 
->  DP> mother wants to risk her own life for something that may or
->  DP> may not survive, that's up to her.  Likewise, if she
-> 
->  Red herring. You have an obligation to help someone in danger,
->  but not at the point of getting yourself killed. The "Subway
->  Samaritan" who jumped in front of a subway train to save another
->  man's life was a hero, but that was not obligatory behavior.
-> 
->  DP> chooses her own life, that's up to her as well.  In my
->  DP> opinion, the government has absolutely no place in making
->  DP> laws in this area.
-> 
->  And every law I have heard of makes allowances for that, so you
->  are raising issues of no significance. Diversionary, I do
->  believe.
-> 
->  DP> I'm not pro-abortion, as I've stated many times.  I think
->  DP> the fewer abortions performed, the better.  But, there's a
-> 
->  That is why I am a Catholic and a Democrat. Or one reason.
-> 
->  DP> very simple way for me to not take part in abortions.  I
->  DP> can simply avoid having one.  Since I didn't come with the
->  DP> equipment necessary to have carry children, it's never
->  DP> going to be an issue for me, so it's a pretty easy one.
->  DP> But for women that do have the equipment, and do find
->  DP> themselves in that position, it's always, without a doubt,
->  DP> 100% their choice, and should always remain so.  Anyting to
->  DP> the contrary is removing the rights a woman has over her
->  DP> own body, and that's wrong.
-> 
->  Always? Not one single exception? Absolutes should be thought
->  out very very well before being proclaimed, and then thought out
->  very very well after being proclaimed.
-> 
->  DP> Needless to say, if men needed abortions, this would be a
->  DP> non-issue.
-> 
->  If men needed abortions they would be women. Which means women
->  would be getting men pregnant, so they would be men. Think about
->  it.
-> 
-> BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn
-> 
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