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Skriven 2008-01-24 18:28:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Richard Webb
Ärende: 35 Years after Roe
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 RW> Bob Klahn wrote in a message to Tim Richardson:

BK>>  Strike two! Thomas sees the aborted children as cheap labor? As
BK>> the workers who do the dirty work?

 BK>> Not only is he morally bankrupt in seeing it this way, he
 BK>> is also flat out wrong.

 RW> WOuld agree with this point.  A lot of those that were
 RW> aborted would have been otherwise abused or neglected.  The

 And a lot would not be. And a lot who are not aborted are abused
 and neglected.

 RW> difference, the mother or other responsible parties knew
 RW> that bringing this life to fruition was extremely
 RW> irresponsible at that time.

 Or inconvenient. Or expensive.

 RW> I'd venture a guess that most
 RW> of these would have ended up as wards of the state, causing
 RW> further overburdening of the criminal justice and social
 RW> service systems.

 I'd venture a guess that most would not. Most by far. And even
 fewer need to be. If all abortion were stopped, the biggest
 effect would be the birth of many children, into a life pretty
 much like that of those who would have been born anyway.

 Which is why I am a democrat, though pro-life.

BK>>  We do not need 12 million illegal immigrants, or even legal
BK>> immigrants, to do the work of this country. We do not need one
BK>> single illegal immigrant.

 RW> Again I would agree.

BK>>  The only reason to import labor is to suppress the wages of
BK>> American labor. This has been true since before the founding of
BK>> this country.

 RW> Which is why with all the hue and cry over illegal
 RW> imigration we still have it happening.  Many industries

 Points of agreement deleted.

 TR>> Abortion on demand cannot be seen in isolation from social
 TR>> breakdown.

BK>>  True.

 RW> Again agreed, but one has to look at other factors, many of
 RW> which are economic. A child whose parents must spend more
 RW> time outside the home working and who is raised by the
 RW> microwaved frozen dinner and the TV set will not have the
 RW> moral foundations on which to build a good citizen.
 RW> Parenting in and of itself is a more than full time job.

 Which is why the drive to the bottom, as exemplified by
 Wallmart, IMO, is one of the big forces driving the decline of
 this country.

 RW> We contribute to the "breakdown of society" when we raise
 RW> children to not consider how their actions impact others.

 We do not raise children that way. We fail to raise them the
 right way. Largely due to the causes you cite above.

 RW> we prevent said breakdown when we teach our young people to
 RW> think critically and not just cram a few facts into their
 RW> heads and leave them to go their own way.

 I see a big part being in the breakdown of the extended family.
 When Reagan said the unemployed should vote with their feet,
 move to where the jobs were, he contributed to that breakdown.

 The need is to bring jobs to where the people are. We need to
 keep extended families together, as they have the best influence
 on children and their development. Just my opinion.

 RW> Since the
 RW> education system has not been prepared to do this it's the
 RW> parents' job.  IN the past this has been an asssumption
 RW> within the educational sector, and often still is. YEt many
 RW> parents are unable or unwilling to take on this vital role.

 What you are describing starts with the parents pre-school, but
 should continue into the schools. It's a life long process.

 RW> YEt it's easier to point fingers at "abortion on demand,"
 RW> "sex drugs and rock 'n roll," "violent games," etc. etc.
 RW> etc.  Pick your demon, point your finger and cry that said
 RW> demon bears a large part of the responsibility for the
 RW> so-called breakdown of society.

 The breakdown of society is more a matter of pitting people
 against each other, IMO. And the cure is to bring people to work
 together to build society. However, when a growing segment of
 our population sees their portion of society declining, being
 washed away under their feet, they lose their committment to the
 rest of society.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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