Text 6329, 72 rader
Skriven 2008-02-09 13:20:28 av Richard Webb (1:116/901.0)
   Kommentar till text 6313 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
Ärende: Pro-Choice
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Bob Klahn wrote in a message to Richard Webb:

BK>>  Also, when Newt Gingrich, I believe it was,
BK>>  proposed taking children away from welfare mothers and
BK>>  establishing cadillac level foster care, he should have
BK>>  suggested spending that money to improve foster care and support
BK>> adoption instead. Then add in trying to see to it that poor  women
BK>> get the support, and training, they need to get jobs. Then  make
BK>> sure the jobs are there.

 RW> There's the rub, training for meaningful work that pays a
 RW> living wage that can allow her to provide for those
 RW> children. This means a massive effort to train these folks,
 RW> many who are high school drop outs, some with little actual
 RW> intellectual potential.

BK>  There are very few people who cannot be trained for some
BK>  productive work.

true, it comes down to personal motivation, then having employment that
provides for an actual living.

<snip>.
 RW> I think we've been around this one before though.  IT means
 RW> a community that actually cares about the people living in
 RW> it, including the employers.

BK>  Hush you mouth you dirty commie!

<Rotflmao!!!>   THis old curmudgeon became a libertarian when he figured out
that even with the best intentions human greed woudl always be a factor, and
the touchie feelie types could be too easily manipulated by those who wanted
control for their own reasons. COrporate welfare doesn't "trickle down" to the
masses as folks like REagan said it should.

 RW> tHis means that employers will
 RW> have to quit treating these service employees as disposable
 RW> resources to use and discard if they can find a way to get
 RW> it done much cheaper.

BK>  But... but... isn't that the way it's *supposed* to be?

TO some extent yes.  BUt still, people must have the ability to srvive,
otherwise work has no meaning.  spending six hours a day for or five days a
week at work and still needing to beg for medical assistance or food aid
doesn't make for productive employees.

 RW> some of the welfare mothers we rented to when my lady and I
 RW> managed those apartment complexes in new Orleans weren't
 RW> very trainable however.

BK>  Like I said, there was something they could do. Cleaning hotel 
BK> rooms is not dishonorable work.

True enough, but often these jobs don't pay a living wage these days.  Though
one can tip the maid at the hotel few do. Most of our tenants were the "working
poor" and many worked two or more jobs.  then to keep their residence they had
to do the paperwork shuffle once a year. DOccument this, doccument that, at
least an hour of filling out forms and making sure their paperwork they had to
show was in order. THe few actual welfare mothers we had for the most part had
no motivation to acquire any training. One for example complained of a bad
back, so bad she couldn't walk four blocks down the street to put the money
order her boyfriend gave her for the rent in our night deposit box, but she
could make more babies. she could also go to Catholic charities and other
organizations begging for this, begging for that.


Regards,
           Richard
...   BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT PATRIOTISM                   
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
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