Text 6341, 87 rader
Skriven 2008-02-11 22:34:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Richard Webb
Ärende: Pro-Choice
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BK>>  There are very few people who cannot be trained for some
BK>>  productive work.

 RW> true, it comes down to personal motivation, then having
 RW> employment that provides for an actual living.

 The second leads to the first.

<snip>>.
 RW>> I think we've been around this one before though.  IT means
 RW>> a community that actually cares about the people living in
 RW>> it, including the employers.

BK>>  Hush you mouth you dirty commie!

 RW> <Rotflmao!!!>   THis old curmudgeon became a libertarian
 RW> when he figured out that even with the best intentions
 RW> human greed woudl always be a factor, and the touchie
 RW> feelie types could be too easily manipulated by those who
 RW> wanted control for their own reasons. COrporate welfare
 RW> doesn't "trickle down" to the masses as folks like REagan
 RW> said it should.

 All true, except... libertarianism offers no answer to that at
 all.

 RW>> tHis means that employers will
 RW>> have to quit treating these service employees as disposable
 RW>> resources to use and discard if they can find a way to get
 RW>> it done much cheaper.

BK>>  But... but... isn't that the way it's *supposed* to be?

 RW> TO some extent yes.  BUt still, people must have the
 RW> ability to srvive, otherwise work has no meaning.  spending
 RW> six hours a day for or five days a week at work and still
 RW> needing to beg for medical assistance or food aid doesn't
 RW> make for productive employees.

 Absolutely true. And it is counter survival, which means, to
 those of us who believe in evolutionary morality, it is wrong.

 RW>> some of the welfare mothers we rented to when my lady and I
 RW>> managed those apartment complexes in new Orleans weren't
 RW>> very trainable however.

BK>>  Like I said, there was something they could do. Cleaning hotel
BK>> rooms is not dishonorable work.

 RW> True enough, but often these jobs don't pay a living wage
 RW> these days.  Though one can tip the maid at the hotel few

 Which is why we have welfare. Create enough jobs for the more
 trainable, and the less trainable will be more in demand for
 those jobs, which means paid better.

 RW> do. Most of our tenants were the "working poor" and many
 RW> worked two or more jobs.  then to keep their residence they
 RW> had to do the paperwork shuffle once a year. DOccument

 IOW, the accusations against the poor of New Orleans were lies.

 RW> this, doccument that, at least an hour of filling out forms
 RW> and making sure their paperwork they had to show was in
 RW> order. THe few actual welfare mothers we had for the most
 RW> part had no motivation to acquire any training. One for

 The availability of a job with a decent pay check would be.
 Remember, the "Great Society" was jobs based, not welfare based.
 Go back to that and there is the motivation.

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 RW> but she could make more babies. she could also go to
 RW> Catholic charities and other organizations begging for
 RW> this, begging for that.

 Which shows the private charities are doing no better.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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