Text 7337, 115 rader
Skriven 2008-08-24 13:03:41 av Richard Webb (1:116/901.0)
   Kommentar till text 7332 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
Ärende: Edwards
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Hi BOb,

On Sat 2036-Aug-23 14:39, Bob Klahn (1:124/311) wrote to Richard Webb:

Been too busy for echomail over the weekend getting house
bracket happening for tower.  GOt to get this tri-bander out of the box and in
the air <g>.
<snip>
 RW> Maybe, but imho this was a "bolt from the blue" which came
 RW> out of nowhere at the last minute.  Even ARlen Specter was
 RW> asking some tough questions of MR. Thomas iirc.  Suddenly,
 RW> when things were winding down we got this circus.

BK>  Thomas was getting a free ride. No one was really challenging  him.
BK> Hell, his claim that he had never dicsussed abortion is so  absurd
BK> no one could reasonably believe it.

I found that one a bit hard to swallow myself <g>.

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 RW> True, and I"m not totally insensitive to such issues.  FOr
 RW> a variety of reasons that would take too much explanation
 RW> for a public echo I seem to have a greater percentage of
 RW> female friends who were sexually abused or exploited as
 RW> children. SOmeone being victimized as HIll alleges would
 RW> have been as poised and together as she sounded during
 RW> those hearings, and wouldn't have waited until the last
 RW> possible minute to come forward.

BK>  AAMOF, that would not be at all out of character. I have leaned  of
BK> a lot of female friends who were abused, and most it took a  long
BK> time to come out, and they were reluctant to discuss it. I  suspect
BK> a lot more women have been abused than we know of. And  many were as
BK> adults.

YEs, but when most I know of do discuss such situations
they're usually not so poised and altogether together if you catch my drift. 
even otherwise articulate people when
discussing such experiences know they need to talk about it
for whatever reason but are not really happy about doing so. IT didn't ring
true with me.

BK>  She waited to the last minute most likely because she hoped 
BK> Thomas' lack of credentials would be enough to keep him from  being
BK> conirmed. She probably didn't want to talk at all, but  realized she
BK> had to or he would get in without it ever coming  out.

SHe didn't carry herself or present herself in a way which
would ring true as a "victim" of unwanted sexual advances,
etc. to me.  been over a decade since those hearings, but
that was my perception when listening to her.

BK>>  She passed a polygraph, Thomas refused to take one.

 RW> Any practiced liar can control the indicators enough to
 RW> pass a polygraph.  THis is one reason that polygraph
 RW> evidence is so controversial.

BK>  Practiced is the key word. Neither one of them was trained to 
BK> evade a polygraph, and could be tested without giving them time  to
BK> get practice.

YOU can become a well practiced liar without training.  sElf training will do
it.  The same "tells" that will cause you
to fail the polygraph can trip you up just in observation as they result in
secondary signs.  SOme people learn to lie
convincingly young.


 RW> A fellow I"d do some
 RW> contract work for occasionally back in the '70's was a
 RW> polygraph operator in his day job.  HE always told me that
 RW> a pathological liar can pass those things with flying
 RW> colors.

BK>  Yet the polygraph is still used. And still relied on. That is 
BK> probably because getting away with it is not all that easy. 

NOt all that easy, but nevertheless doable.

 RW> OToh he told me that a person, even though telling
 RW> the truth who was off balance and nervous would fail.

BK>  If the operator was not aware enough to realize the subject was 
BK> nervous. More likely it would be inconclusive.
HE would agree with that, but then again this man was quite
well respected in his field.

 RW>> Part I found i respect about the man is that his maternal
 RW>> grandparents, who raised him expected and got a day's work
 RW>> out of him as well as his schoolwork.  THe man didn't have
 RW>> an easy childhood.

 BK>>  How many black people growing up back then did?

 RW> A good number of course.

BK>  A good number had an easy childhood?

Oops, pre-coffee, quite the opposite in fact.  I should know better than to
compose echomail pre-coffee <g>.
 RW> Had he truly been willing to stick with his anti
 RW> affirmative action principles I could have understood that.

BK>  OTOH, you would probably have never known his name then.

Probably so <G>.  Just didn't like how the whole thing was
done.  Give the man a pass on some difficult questions of
law and then bring on the @***@ sideshow.

Regards,
           Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
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