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   Kommentar till text 7357 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
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"Bob Klahn -> All" <1:124/311> wrote in news:24496$POL_INC@JamNNTPd:

 TR>> For Obama the politician, such scriptural quotations often
 TR>> serve as an all-inclusive writ to impose his religious
 TR>> views on others when it comes to fighting poverty, global
 TR>> warming, racism, etc.

 BK>   That last part applies much more to the religious right.

 BK>   If any of you actually heard what he said, you know Goldberg's
 BK>   interpretation was absolute bull.

Goldberg has a long history of half-truths and flat-out lies.

http://tinyurl.com/zwtsb

 TR>> But when the question turns to
 TR>> abortion, political Obama insists on a policy of moral
 TR>> agnosticism and political laissez-faire. Asked directly
 TR>> when life begins as a legal matter, he punted, saying the
 TR>> answer was "above my pay grade."

 BK>   The question was not when does life begin, but when does a baby
 BK>   aquire human rights. Not even close to the same thing. He didn't
 BK>   punt, he gave it a well thought out response. Goldberg just
 BK>   doesn't do well reasoned very well.

Back in 2000, John McCain gave a pro-choice answer to a question about
abortion.

Recently, John McBush said life "begins at conception."

 BK>   As a pro-life democrat I have reached the conclusion that human
 BK>   life begins at conception.

Your's, and McBush's belief should NEVER become part of any laws.
It would force women to allow ectopic pregnancies to continue.
(And a relative of mine nearly DIED from one of those.)

 TR>> Obama, commendably, told Warren that he wants to reduce the
 TR>> number of abortions. After all, he observed gravely, "we've
 TR>> had a president who is opposed to abortions over the last
 TR>> eight years, and abortions have not gone down."
 TR>> Unfortunately, Obama wasn't telling the truth. The abortion
 TR>> rate is the lowest it's been since 1974, partly because of
 TR>> pro-life policies under Bush, but also thanks to those
 TR>> implemented at the state level since the 1990s.

 BK>   I doubt that any pro-life policies adopted under Bush reduced
 BK>   the abortion rate noticably. And I esp suspect the abortion rate
 BK>   would be even lower had a truly pro-life president taken office.

Conservatives want to make sure Roe vs. Wade stays the law of the land.
Why?

Becuase they *NEED* this wedge issue, to rally their knuckledrag "base."

 TR>> In 2003, as chairman of the Illinois Senate Health and Human
 TR>> Services Committee, Obama received a statement from Jill
 TR>> Stanek, a registered nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn,
 TR>> Ill. She testified that at her Chicago-area hospital, she'd
 TR>> seen a baby accidentally delivered alive during an abortion
 TR>> and then "taken to the soiled-utility room and left alone
 TR>> to die."

 BK>   And what did she do about that? Even under legal abortion that
 BK>   sounds like something prosecutable.

Also Jill Stanek is a rabid pro-lifer, with no credibility.
Her story about the baby taken to the soiled-utility room was
investigated, and found to be totally false.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808210078?f=s_search

 TR>> Jonah Goldberg is the author of Liberal Fascism: The Secret
 TR>> History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics
 TR>> of Meaning.

And he's earned the nickname "The Doughy Pantload."

 TR>> Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online.

 BK>   IOW a man of no special qualifications.

Speaking of the NRO, a writer there claimed Martin Luther Kng Jr. was a
conservative who would never vote for Obama, much less endorse him.

A blogger found some National Review articles, from the 50's and 60's,
calling MLK a fake, and blaming him for the violence.

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