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Skriven 2008-08-26 13:44:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Richard Webb
Ärende: Edwards
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BK>>  Thomas was getting a free ride. No one was really challenging  him.
BK>> Hell, his claim that he had never dicsussed abortion is so  absurd
BK>> no one could reasonably believe it.

 RW> I found that one a bit hard to swallow myself <g>.

 RW> <snip again>

 RW>> True, and I"m not totally insensitive to such issues.  FOr
 RW>> a variety of reasons that would take too much explanation
 RW>> for a public echo I seem to have a greater percentage of
 RW>> female friends who were sexually abused or exploited as
 RW>> children. SOmeone being victimized as HIll alleges would
 RW>> have been as poised and together as she sounded during
 RW>> those hearings, and wouldn't have waited until the last
 RW>> possible minute to come forward.

 BK>> AAMOF, that would not be at all out of character. I have
 BK>> learned of a lot of female friends who were abused, and
 BK>> most it took a long time to come out, and they were
 BK>> reluctant to discuss it. I suspect a lot more women have
 BK>> been abused than we know of. And many were as adults.

 RW> YEs, but when most I know of do discuss such situations
 RW> they're usually not so poised and altogether together if
 RW> you catch my drift. even otherwise articulate people when
 RW> discussing such experiences know they need to talk about it
 RW> for whatever reason but are not really happy about doing
 RW> so. IT didn't ring true with me.

 Don't forget a couple important items. She was not seeking
 comfort from a friend, but testifying before the senate. She is
 a lawyer, and she had years to adjust to it. Above all, she was
 not physically abused, but harrassed. It does make a difference.

 She was not seeking therapy for herself, but protection for
 others.

BK>>  She waited to the last minute most likely because she hoped
BK>> Thomas' lack of credentials would be enough to keep him from  being
BK>> conirmed. She probably didn't want to talk at all, but  realized she
BK>> had to or he would get in without it ever coming  out.

 RW> SHe didn't carry herself or present herself in a way which
 RW> would ring true as a "victim" of unwanted sexual advances,

 But completely true as a professional testifying before congress
 about harrassment.

 RW> etc. to me.  been over a decade since those hearings, but
 RW> that was my perception when listening to her.

BK>>>  She passed a polygraph, Thomas refused to take one.

 RW>> Any practiced liar can control the indicators enough to
 RW>> pass a polygraph.  THis is one reason that polygraph
 RW>> evidence is so controversial.

BK>>  Practiced is the key word. Neither one of them was trained to
BK>> evade a polygraph, and could be tested without giving them time
BK>> to get practice.

 RW> YOU can become a well practiced liar without training.
 RW> sElf training will do it.  The same "tells" that will cause
 RW> you to fail the polygraph can trip you up just in
 RW> observation as they result in secondary signs.  SOme people
 RW> learn to lie convincingly young.

 There is no evidence that she had. If there was you can be sure
 the right wing would have revealed it long ago.

 RW>> A fellow I"d do some
 RW>> contract work for occasionally back in the '70's was a
 RW>> polygraph operator in his day job.  HE always told me that
 RW>> a pathological liar can pass those things with flying
 RW>> colors.

BK>>  Yet the polygraph is still used. And still relied on. That is
BK>> probably because getting away with it is not all that easy.

 RW> NOt all that easy, but nevertheless doable.

 RW>> OToh he told me that a person, even though telling
 RW>> the truth who was off balance and nervous would fail.

BK>>  If the operator was not aware enough to realize the subject was
BK>> nervous. More likely it would be inconclusive.

 RW> HE would agree with that, but then again this man was quite
 RW> well respected in his field.

 RW>>> Part I found i respect about the man is that his maternal
 RW>>> grandparents, who raised him expected and got a day's work
 RW>>> out of him as well as his schoolwork.  THe man didn't have
 RW>>> an easy childhood.

 BK>>>  How many black people growing up back then did?

 RW>> A good number of course.

BK>>  A good number had an easy childhood?

 RW> Oops, pre-coffee, quite the opposite in fact.  I should
 RW> know better than to compose echomail pre-coffee <g>.

 Best to have it on the side desk when echomailing. Not by the
 computer, I've had to stop to clean up all too often. But the
 side desk doesn't have that problem near as often.

 RW>> Had he truly been willing to stick with his anti
 RW>> affirmative action principles I could have understood that.

BK>>  OTOH, you would probably have never known his name then.

 RW> Probably so <G>.  Just didn't like how the whole thing was
 RW> done.  Give the man a pass on some difficult questions of
 RW> law and then bring on the @***@ sideshow.

 Like I said, he was being given a free ride, then they were
 faced with something they could not give him a pass on.


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