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Skriven 2008-09-03 06:03:00 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BOB ACKLEY
Ärende: Torture
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On 09-02-08, BOB ACKLEY said to TIM RICHARDSON:


BA>> Seaman Robert Stethem wasn't beaten to death, he was made to kneel in
BA>> the door of the airliner and shot in the back of the head, his body
BA>> then fell to the tarmac below the door.


TR> Big deal! I forgot the method of his actual murder. Do you think
TR> that'll bring him back to life? He's still just as dead.


TR> The sailor was savagely beaten prior to being shot execution
TR> style before the whole world.



BA>My point was that he was not beaten *to death* as you originally stated.
BA>I did not say he had not been beaten.


I seem to recall somewhere along the line afterwards, the information coming
out that he had been beaten beyond recovery anyway.


TR> Benjamin Zimmerman; flight engineer aboard that flight:
TR> "We could hear the groans and moans and the screams and the panting
TR> and the uneven breathing. We knew these guys were getting beat up
TR> pretty badly."
TR> Stethem was blindfolded and beaten. He was kicked in the face, the
TR> knee caps, all his ribs were broken from the beating.


BA>> Twenty or so years before anybody ever heard of
BA>> Osama bin Laden or al-Qaeda.


TR> Probably because America wasn't paying any attention.


BA>Maybe you weren't, I was.


I've been paying attention since I was a young boy, back in the `fifties'.


BA>I was even reading up on the subject back then,


I didn't need to `read up on it'......all you have to do is watch the news and
read a newspaper once in a while.


BA>I recommend Claire Sterling's "The Terror Network," and Walter Laquere's
BA>"Terrorism" to start with.


I don't need to put money into some hack writer's bank account to know the
Arabs in the Middle East hate Americans.


Actually.....the true reason the Arabs in the Middle East hate us and want to
destroy us should be known by anyone with the ability to think past their own
nose.


Nobody ever brings it up. Its considered `racist'......anti-semetic, one of
those topics that are un-touchable.


And when it is brought up....its strongly denied, and the person who brings it
up denounced as anti-jewish.


BA>not claim any particular expertise on the subject but I suspect I know
BA>just a little bit more about it than you and probably most of the others
BA>here do.


I seriously doubt that. I've been paying attention to the situation in the
Middle East from the time of the very first prime minister of Israel, David
ben Gurion, and the days of John Foster Dulles, Dwight Eisenhower, and Gamal
Abdul Nassar.


I don't need to read anyone's `book' to tell me the Arabs in the Middle East
want to destroy America. I already know that.


I've known that for several decades, now.


BA>him back to the leaders.  The Russians were released forthwith
BA>(aforementioned demands unmet) and AFAIK none were ever bothered again.  I
BA>have for years, well over a decade
BA>in fact, stated that the Russians had the right idea in dealing with those
BA>people, I guess you missed that.


No.......I didn't miss that. I've known about that since it happened. And have
loudly pointed out in many conversations, as well as a few posts in Fido over
the years, that whatever the Russians did to discourage the ragheads from
grabbing and killing Russia citizens......we ought to find out what that was,
and do it ourselves.


The biggest problem America has with the Middle Eastern criminal murdering
religious fanatics is, America has allowed itself to get so wound up in all
this touchy-feely soft-hearted bullshit, that it can't react with the proper
counter measures against people who are determined to horrify the American
public with some of the tactics they use, and their willingness to commit
suicide (or at least their `supposed' willingness) to kill one or more
Americans along with themself.


Its only in recent years that someone with the brains to think past their nose
came along in the Middle East, and germinated the idea that we now know as
9/11.


We need to wake up in this country and start developing the tactics that cause
the raghead religious fanatics in the MIddle East to think real hard before
killing even one American.









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