Text 9442, 87 rader
Skriven 2009-02-24 20:04:04 av Ross Sauer (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 9441 av JOHN FITZGERALD (1:123/140)
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"JOHN FITZGERALD -> ROSS SAUER" <1:123/140> wrote in
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 DC>>>   I am *not* taking their side.  I am taking the side
 DC>>>   that the US used to uphold> which is the rule of
 DC>>>   law and the rights of individuals.  Do you remember when
 DC>>>   the US used to be at the forefront of human rights issues?

 JF>>  Yes, I also remember all the foreign and domestic activists who
 JF> used JF> that premise to undermine our military and intelligence at
 JF> every turn.

 RS>>   Name them.

 JF>    George Soros,  Ward Churchill, ACLU,  International Solidarity
 JF>    Movement,
 JF> C.A.I.R., Code Pink,  Democrat Socialists of America, Kenneth Roth,
 JF> Women Against Military Madness, Jessee Jackson, National Immigration
 JF> Law Center,  Environmentalists Against War,  National Lawyers Guild,
 JF> American Muslim Union, International Socialist Organization,
 JF> American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee,  GrantMakers Without
 JF> Borders, International Solidarity Movement, National Council of La
 JF> Raza, Workers World Party, National Coalition to Protect Political
 JF> Freedom...


 JF>    I just scratched the surface.

No, all you've done is repeat the absolute *BULLSHIT* ladeled out by
your gurus liek Rush the Fathead Junkie, Michael Savage Weiner, Ann the
racist Coulter who on Hannity said "...the grandkids can get their own
planet!" and so on. Right-wing apologists for the coward-in-chief, his
head goon Cheney, and the rest of their goons.

Latest thing from Fox (har har) "news," mostly from Glenn Beck the (so-
called) ex-drunk, they are advocating states seceding, and starting
another Civil War.
Problem is, those Fox "news" cowards would be running away from anything
that even SOUNDS like shooting.
"Let's him and you fight!" -Wimpy

 DC>>>  Whar they have us doing is trashing the very ideals
 DC>>>  that we claim we are fighting for.

 JF>>   They don't 'have us' doing anything.  We're doing it on our
 JF>>   own when own when it is necessary.  We're fighting terrorists.

 RS>>   So we can lower ourselves to the terrorists' level,
 RS>>   to "fight terror?"  Fine.

 JF>    No, so we can fight fire with fire when called for...not as a rule.
 JF> And notice, we aren't walking into Mosques with suicide bombers, or
 JF> beheading innocent people, or anyone for that matter. We could
 JF> waterboard 1000 terrorists/combatants and we'd still be miles above
 JF> them on the ethical scale.  And that's as far as I'm going to
 JF> entertain such anti-social consensus.

We waterboard *ONE* and that lowers the US to the their level.
Except in conservafairyland, where "those other brown people" (actual
quote from a Fido poster,) they all deserve to be tortured.

 RS>>   Let's go to my previous example, let's skin suspects
 RS>>   alive to getinformation.

 JF>     Yeah right.  Why don't you stop amusing your self and have a
 JF>     debate?

I am.
You are the one that fell headfirst into that Egyptian river.

 DC>>>  Harsh interrogation are demonstrated to be nonproductive.
 DC>>>  Interrogators at  Gitmo have stated exactly that.

 JF>>   If that was true they wouldn't have to be resorting
 JF>>   to waterboarding would they?

 RS>>   Horse manure.

 JF>    Clean up your mess and let's see what you can do in the way of an
 JF> actual rebuttal.

You never had a rebuttal, all you do is parrot right-wing talking points
that are straight from racists, religious bigots, and rabble-rousers
laughing at you all the way to the bank.

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