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Skriven 2009-02-26 22:25:36 av BOB KLAHN (1:135/382)
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Ärende: Waterboarding
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DC>>They were detained in wide sweeps without supporting evidence.

TR>> A person or persons swept up in an area full of hostiles, usually with
TR>> a weapon or weapons in their possession, or a cache of weapons near at
TR>> hand, gets taken into custody.

DC>>Many of those arrested were unarmed.

 In Afghanistan, a rifle is practically part of a person's daily
 apparel.

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DC>>As to near at hand, it's a recent combat zone.

 And a land filled with hostiles, like the Taliban.

 TR> Really? When did you figure that out! Things happen in
 TR> combat. Many times, the ones who look the most innocent are
 TR> the ones who are most dangerous.

 Ever wonder how the right justifies that in contrast to the
 "Right to keep and bear arms"? And if they say the US
 constitution doesn't apply, they are effectively saying the
 right to keep and bear arms comes from the consitution. Whereas
 they usually try to tell us it's an inherent right, just
 enumerated in the constitution.

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TR>> it. Not only that...the mis-treatment was punished when it was brought
TR>> to light. I believe even a general was disciplined. On an EM level,

DC>>The problem did not start at the lowest level.  It came from edicts from
DC>>the WH.

 And the general who was diciplined was a reservist, and a woman.
 She had no real authority in the matter, and the people who
 ordered it used her as a scapegoat.

 TR> Show me the exact WH memo that orders personnel at Abu
 TR> Ghraib to `make 'em wear panties on their heads and crawl
 TR> around naked barking like dogs'. When was it issued? Who
 TR> issued it? Through who's hands did it pass up the chain of
 TR> command?

 IOW, we were wrong to execute the Japanese general who didn't
 know his army was massacreing civilians in Manila, since he
 didn't actually order it. I understand there was no actual
 record of Hitler ordering the killing of Jews until late in the
 war. That doesn't make him innocent as I understand it.

TR>> When what we do to terrorists equals cutting someone's head off with a
TR>> sword, get back to me. And don't go off on all that high-horse crapola

DC>>The degree of pain/death is irrelevant.  That the US deals in torture of
DC>>any strain is morally reprehensible.

 And that is the truth.

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 TR> Your `statement' is hogwash. Lets say W didn't win the
 TR> election. Letss say the democrat election stealers had
 TR> succeeded in cheating AlGore's way into the White House.

 Stealing and cheating to put the legitimate winner in office?
 Wow! What an idea!

 TR> Do you think 9\11 would never have taken place?

 Quite possibly not, since Gore would have listened to Clarke.

TR>> Thats crap. Who do you think the individuals were that flew the planes
TR>> into the World Trade Center, Santa's elves?

DC>>Of which 15 of the 19 were Saudi.

 TR> Nice try. They were al Qaeda.

 Al Qaeda was a Saudi originate terrorist group.

DC>>Not a single one was an Iraqi.

 TR> That was never claimed. Try again.

DC>>Nor was there ever a connection between Sadam and Al Qaeda.

 TR> So you say.

 There is a game where you try to find a connection within 6
 degrees of seperation between any person and some movie star,
 can't recall who he is. I am not sure if the "degrees of
 seperation include the principles, but it sounds more like
 only the people in between.

 Between GW Bush and Osama Bin Laden there is a maximum of 2
 degrees of seperation. Possibly one degree.

DC>>bin Laden is still on the loose.

 TR> Don't worry.......now that the democrats are in almost
 TR> complete control of the country......bin Laden will
 TR> probably be so scared he'll turn himself in.

 Nah... he's still too busy laughing at the republicans to even
 think of that.

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