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Skriven 2009-03-01 07:50:54 av JOHN FITZGERALD (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av DAN CEPPA
Ärende: AFTER  8 YRS, STILL NO CLUE
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EC>  And they always ignore David Kay's post-war assessment 
EC>  of the WMD risk if we hadn't acted:
 
DC>  Just what WMD did Kay find?  

  You are obviously being selective about what you will accept from Kay.
Kay, and the handful of inspectors could not find WMD in the few places 
they searched.  This is what you've been trying to fly your balloon with.
Never mind the fact that we waited a year and a half after 9/11 before 
going into Iraq to make sure about the situation.  Never mind that WMD 
destruction/surrender was never confirmed by anyone.  What happened to 
all those WMD, Dan?

  'Oh, since I can't find them they don't exist anymore...duh.'



EC>  KAY: I think Iraq was a dangerous place 
EC>  becoming more dangerous,

DC>  That's his opiniom.

   You embraced that opinion when he said there was no WMD to be found.
Then you turn around and ignore his opinion when he said Iraq/Saddam 
was still dangerous.  Kay had eight years of Clinton intel',  not to 
mention Saddam's track record, to base that opinion on.


EC>  [Kay:}  At the same time that we know there were terrorist groups
EC>  in state still seeking WMD capability. Iraq, although I found no 
EC>  weapons, had tremendous capabilities in this area. A marketplace 
EC>  phenomena  was about to occur, if it did not occur; sellers meeting
EC>  buyers.  And I think that would have been very dangerous if the 
EC>  war had not intervened.

DC>   No, there weren't.  Like it or not, Iraq was not friendly 
DC>   with Islamoc extremists of all stripes.  It was a secular 
DC>   state and those extremist were *against* Saddam's regiem.
  
   History is replete with examples where hitherto indifferent groups 
of people ally together to thwart a greater common enemy. The fact that
Al qaeda flocked to Iraq and allied with Iraqi insurgents to fight the 
U.S. is a glaring example of such an alliance.   And it doesn't matter 
if they came after we invaded, they still came and formed an alliance.
So the idea that such an alliance wasn't possible is obviously just
partisan motivated opinion that has been refuted by the facts.
  

EC>   No, Iraq remained a very dangerous place in terms 
EC>   of WMD capabilities, even though we found no large
EC>   stockpiles of weapons.

DC>   See, he didn't even find any WMD, did he.

   That doesn't negate what Kay said about Iraq being dangerous.  
Again, we waited a year and a half after 9/11 before we invaded.  
Ya think Saddam had enough time to cover his tracks?
    Btw...you're defending a man/regime who used real torture on a 
systematic wide spread scale, and just so you can march in that 
mindless 'get Bush' parade that has marched around in the same 
pathetic circle for more than eight years. 
  

DC>  The invasion was perpetrated on a fraud.  

  Obama disagrees with you.  He plans on staying there, with 50,000 
troops, for at least another year and a half.



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