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Text 9962, 53 rader
Skriven 2009-03-06 10:19:50 av JOHN FITZGERALD (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BOB ACKLEY
Ärende: CONSTITUTION'S HISTORY
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J>>>  Pre-emptive war is illegal.  But, as with all rules and laws 
 JF>> J.  that got into W's way, it was ignored.

 J>>> Obama has released a former 'secret' memo concerning circumventing
 J>>> the constitution....and also released the fact that the CIA
 J>>> destroyed
 JF>> almost
 J>>> 100 tapes in interrogations...I hope this becomes big news...

 JF>>   The constitution can be suspended in times of war if need be, and
 JF>> with  good reason, as there are those will will use it to tie you
 JF>> down so they  can run their campaign. 

 BA>>   If the government suspends that Constitution, it eliminates 
 BA>>   any legitimate justificaton for its existence.

 JF>   I tend to agree, but there have been exceptions that were justified.
 JF> ie.Curfews.   Right after 9/11 all airplanes were ordered down.   One
 JF> could argue that this violated people's Constitutional rights.

BA>   Nnt really.  The constitutional right to travel freely doesn't 
BA>   include a specific right to fly to one's destination.  
BA>    It certainly inconvenienced a lot of people,though.

   What about curfews?   Are they consitutionaly permitted during 
states of emergency?



BA>   Lincoln didn't try it during the Civil War and Roosevelt minor  
BA>   didn't try it during WW II.  There were individual points   that
BA>   were suspended:  Lincoln suspended the right of  habeas corpus,
BA>   but abandoned that practice when the Supreme Court told him to 
BA>   (congress can do that, the president can't),

 JF>   In other words, the Constitution can and has been suspended.

BA>   No it can't.  As I noted, the Supreme Court ordered Lincoln 
BA>   to stop suspending the right of habeas corpus and he did.  
BA>   That right *can* be suspended by the congress but not by the 
BA>   executive, which is why the court ruled the way it did.

   Well, doesn't this still mean the Constitution can be suspended?




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