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Roundtable Interview of the President by Pakistani Journalists
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For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
February 22, 2006

Roundtable Interview of the President by Pakistani Journalists
The Roosevelt Room



2:11 P.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT: Thanks for coming. I'm looking forward to going to Pakistan.
I appreciate the courage of your President --I'm looking forward to my
visit with President Musharraf. I'm trying to think of the number of times
I have met with President Musharraf since I've been the President. I would
say five or six, seven times. I remember our visit to Camp David.

Q I was there.

THE PRESIDENT: He is -- were you there?

Q Yes.

THE PRESIDENT: I appreciate his courage. I appreciate the difficult job he
has. I appreciate his commitment to joining the world in dealing with
Islamic radicals who will murder innocent people to achieve an objective. I
appreciate the fact that he has stood strong in the face of several
attempts on his life. I also appreciate our relationship with Pakistan and
his vision for a democracy in Pakistan. And so I'm looking forward to the
trip. The Prime Minister was here several weeks ago. We had a very good
talk. And he was laying the groundwork for what I think will be a
constructive visit. Be glad to answer some questions.

Q Mr. President, I'll start with the cartoon controversy. You and your
allies work very hard on bridging the gap between the Islamic and the
Western world, but the publication of a few cartoons in a remote newspaper
seems to have undone everything. Why?

THE PRESIDENT: First of all, I think it's very important for people around
the world to know that a free press is important for a democratic state. A
free press -- for peaceful states, as well. Free press holds people to
account. Free press makes sure that there is a check and a balance on
people in power. Free press also must be a responsible press.

Secondly, I fully understand people taking -- not liking the cartoons. On
the other hand, I do not believe that people should use that as a pretext
for violence, nor do I appreciate the fact that some are using --
manipulating the anger over the cartoons to achieve political ends. And
therefore, it's very important for governments to not allow policy to be
set by those who are cynically manipulating the anger that some have felt
over these cartoons.

Q Mr. President, you have announced this global nuclear energy initiative,
and this is the one that you have offered to India also. And you have
spoken about the countries -- countries like India can also get a benefit
of this initiative. Do you have Pakistan in mind, Pakistan already saying
that this offer to India is India-specific. Is it India-specific, or
Pakistan can also be included in this initiative?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, we are starting with India, and one of the primary
reasons why is that India is in need of a diversification away from fossil
fuels. India is consuming a lot of fossil fuel. That is driving up the
price of -- a part of the reasons why the price is rising. America uses a
lot of fossil fuels, China is using more fossil fuels, India is using more
fossil fuels, and it's affecting the price of energy in the United States
and in India and in Pakistan. And so, therefore, to the extent to which we
can get these fast-growing, developing nations to use something other than
fossil fuels, it's in the world's interest, and it's in Pakistan's
interest, as well.

Now -- and so I would not view -- some say, well, this is a zero-sum
attitude by the United States; quite the contrary. It's the beginning of a
policy that says there will be a suppliers group of people who are capable
of providing fuel stocks for a civilian nuclear power industry, countries
that will then collect the spent fuel, reprocess it to be able to burn it
in new types of reactors.

The purpose of this whole initiative, and beginning with countries like
India, is to recognize that alternative sources of energy are going to be
important for the development of a clean world and a world that becomes
substantially less reliant on non-renewable sources of energy.

Q But Pakistan can't be included in that?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I said, this is just the beginning of a very long
process.

Q Mr. President, in your speech, you talked about Kashmir dispute, and you
said that you would like India and Pakistan to take bilateral steps to
resolve the dispute. Pakistan has made certain proposals, but they are not
reciprocated by India. And it seems that this bilateral -- is not going
anywhere, there's need for a third-party mediation or some sort of help. Do
you have any specific proposals for that?

THE PRESIDENT: First, I'd like to make sure I clarify my statement for all
to read. America supports a solution that is acceptable to all sides --
since you're probably the only person in the room that paid attention to my
speech -- the speech, as you know, I said "to both sides." The language
should be "all sides," because it recognizes that a solution must be
acceptable to India, Pakistan and those living within Kashmir.

Our position is one that says a dispute that has been so long in a nation's
history can best be resolved when two nations make the determination to sit
down and come up with a solution that is acceptable to all sides. Of
course, during my discussions, I will encourage that dialogue to go
forward. I'm convinced that history changes, and as history changes,
attitudes can change, circumstances change, and that we have a possibility
to see this issue resolved by strong and courageous leaders.

I'm pleased to see the amount of trade that's taking place between India
and Pakistan. It's a substantial increase from July of '04 to July of '05.
I thought that the -- the new transportation routes between India and
Pakistan are hopeful signs.

And so the role of the United States, in our judgment, is one that will
help lead to a settlement that is acceptable to all sides.

Q Mr. President, you also spoke about democracy in Pakistan. Some distance
has to be covered. And the Commonwealth has recently asked Mr. Musharraf --
President Musharraf that he must decide by 2007 whether he wants to
continue as the Chief of Army Staff or as the President, one decision. Is
the United States comfortable with a leader who is also the chief of army
staff in a democracy? Does it bother you that he -- his contribution as the
chief of army staff?

THE PRESIDENT: I've had discussions with the President quite frequently
about his vision for a democratic Pakistan. And I am -- I believe that he
is headed for a -- continue to head for -- on the road of reform. And he
understands the pressures being put on him. As you said, the Commonwealth
spoke, and I believe that he's committed to having a reform process come to
fruition, and I believe he's committed to free and open elections.

Q Mr. President, there is another issue that is particularly sensitive for
both India and Pakistan, which is that, Iran -- India-Iran-Pakistan gas
pipeline. As we said, India -- need alternative sources of energy. So is it
possible that -- decision, allow the construction of the pipeline?

THE PRESIDENT: What's important is that India, Pakistan, and the United
States work together to send a firm message to the Iranians that a
development of a nuclear weapon is unacceptable. You know, we -- energy
supplies are important for India, and they're important for Pakistan. I
fully understand that. But a country which has been unwilling to adhere to
treaties that it's agreed to, a country the President of which has said the
destruction of Israel is in -- part of foreign policy, a country which has
not told the truth when it comes to whether or not they're enriching
uranium or not is a country that free nations need to deal with in a
diplomatic way. And the best thing that the Iranians can hear is a unified
message from all of us.

Q Does it mean that at some date you could decide to take military action
against Iran? Would you --

THE PRESIDENT: Diplomacy is our first option.

Q Mr. President, the recent incident in which U.S. military made a strike
in the Pakistani tribal area, in the Bajaur area. This has happened before
also, and there was some outrage in Pakistan that there was no remorse from
the U.S. government on the action. These actions, when they are taken, is
it because -- the unilateral action that the folks on the other side do not
trust their colleagues on the side of the border, or it's the timing, is it
intelligence, or the lack of operational capabilities on the side -- on the
Pakistani side, that such actions are taken?

THE PRESIDENT: We are -- we're partners in the war against terrorists, some
of whom tried to kill your President. We coordinate. We're allies and we
coordinate. Nor do we talk about sensitive anti-terror operations. Of
course the United States mourns the loss of innocent life.

Q Mr. President, in your speech, you also -- you spoke about importance of
prosperity, and you talked about offering business -- industry in Pakistan.
Do you have anything specific in mind such as Pakistan has been trying for
some time to get an FTA?

THE PRESIDENT: First step is a BIT, and we will discuss that -- we will
continue to discuss that. We discussed that during the Prime Minister's
trip, and we will continue to pursue this avenue toward opening up
additional opportunities, commercial opportunities between our respective
countries. First things first, however.

There have been some preliminary discussions, as well, about perhaps some
trading arrangements in the Western provinces of Pakistan. These are
preliminary discussions. We think it makes sense to have a discussion. Such
an agreement, if -- a commercial arrangement, investment arrangement would
be beneficial not only to Pakistan, but to Afghanistan, as well. And so
there's a variety of discussions we're having to continue to open up ways
to encourage investment and commerce.

I must -- I applaud the President's economic reform package. It's yielded
some strong results. Pakistan's economy is growing, and that's positive.
You know, one of the key things is that people see the benefits of
democracy -- the tangible benefits of democracy, besides being able to
express themselves. Today, I also referred to the Pakistan press, you might
recall. I think I referred to you as lively, meaning that -- at least the
Pakistan press I've been exposed to has never been afraid to ask any
questions, or never been intimidated, particularly with the open press
conference. And I suspect it might be the same when I go next week.

So I want to talk about reconstruction aid right quick before you finish.
It's very important for the people of Pakistan to -- and this is where
trade matters, as well, and commerce matters, as well, that they see that
the United States is interested in the lives of the citizens. You know,
sometimes in the way things get reported, our policies get disconnected
from people's lives improving. And we want that to happen, because a
prosperous Pakistan is -- will be a great example, a country that believes
in markets and educating people to fill the jobs of the 21st century, and a
country that continues to deal with rules and regulations that make
investment difficult at times, will show what's possible. And that's
important.

When the disaster struck, it took our government no time to move. And we
moved a lot of equipment and a lot of manpower and a lot of aid, because we
cared about the people that were suffering. I remember President Musharraf
calling me on the phone at one point to thank me. And it was a genuine
thanks, because we were -- as you know, we transferred a lot choppers,
which were necessary to be able to move manpower and aid into remote
regions of your country.

He also asked, would we make sure that beyond the recovery effort, that
there was a commitment to help rebuild. And my answer was, yes. And the
reason -- it's important for your readers to understand, I said, "yes,"
because this country cares about the families whose lives were turned
upside down by this disaster. When we heard 73,000 people lost their life,
it touched our hearts and our conscience. When we realized over 2 million
people lost their homes, we cared about those who had been displaced.

And so our commitment is to the people of Pakistan, and it's a genuine,
real, tangible commitment that the people of the country can see. I
understand there's politics, and there's -- there's people expressing their
opinions. But one thing they can't argue with -- those who want to be
critical of the United States can't argue with a genuine, heartfelt
commitment to the improvement of the lives of those folks in Pakistan who
suffered a -- suffered mightily as a result of the natural disaster.

Final question, Kamran. Kamran.

Q Yes, Kamran.

THE PRESIDENT: Kamran.

Q Mr. President, being an ally, there are some expectations. We captured
the top lot of the al Qaeda and 300 Pakistani soldiers died, there is a lot
of expectation in Pakistan -- you spoke about bilateral investment treaty
and stuff, access to the market -- more on access to the market. Are we
moving towards free trade?

And secondly, Pakistani students, sir, having terrible problems getting
visas to the U.S. And that's very important -- folks not getting to the
U.S. for education, and can you help us?

THE PRESIDENT: A couple of points -- one, there's no question that the
Musharraf government is committed to working to get al Qaeda brought to
justice. It was al Qaeda that tried to kill him more than one time. And he
also recognizes al Qaeda's presence is destabilizing. Al Qaeda doesn't care
about the people of Pakistan. They don't care about helping people get a
good education, realize the vast potential of Pakistan. They're there to
create chaos and murder. And so I appreciate that, and I appreciate his
firm resolve.

Secondly, we have been -- there is a tangible benefit for the government
and the security of Pakistan in dealing with -- using -- sharing with,
providing equipment. We resolved a long simmering issue in the F-16s. I
recognize it has been put on hold, but the government's commitment is a
real commitment. It changed policy, as you recall. It reversed something
that took place in the past.

The BIT is a beginning of -- it's a step toward what you talked about,
advancing -- additional trading. I agree with you on the issue of
education. First of all, there are a lot of Pakistan citizens here, and a
lot of Pakistani Americans that are making vital contributions to our
country, proud United States citizens who honor their heritage.

I agree with you that there ought to be more student exchanges. But this is
not an issue just for Pakistani students, this is an issue for students
from other parts of the world, as well. We had a very restrictive visa
policy right after 9/11. It was a -- our visa policy was a natural reaction
to a terrible event that took place. But by -- it didn't take me long to
realize that we were missing a great opportunity to have students from
Pakistan see the real America. And there's no better place, no better way
in many ways to see America than to come as a student, study at our
institutions, but more importantly interface with people the same age and
realize that ours is an accepting culture.

Q Absolutely.

THE PRESIDENT: And we welcome Muslims. And we welcome people that may be
different, and that there's no better ambassador for the American way of
life and the attitudes -- the true attitudes of the American citizens than
to have somebody here who has seen firsthand what America is like and then
go back home. Word of mouth is a pretty significant antidote to some of the
propaganda that is being played out for others to hear. And so I agree with
you, and we're -- Condi Rice is very much involved with constantly
revisiting the visa issue -- student visa issue, in particular, and not
only encouraging students to come here, but once they're here, not making
it difficult for them to complete their education. In other words, there
are some restrictions even after the students got here.

Finally, we are also -- along these lines announced a very strong language
initiative so that more people are capable of -- will be capable of
conversing with people in parts of the world where, frankly, we haven't had
that much conversation in their native language, all aimed at creating a
hospitable world. And this trip will help send a message to the people of
Pakistan: one, we're proud of the Pakistani Americans who live here; two,
we want this relation [sic] to continue on. It's a vital relationship. And
as I say, I am pleased with my personal relationship with President
Musharraf. I try to put myself in his shoes. He is -- he's got a tough
assignment. On the one hand he's got people trying to kill him; and on the
other hand, he's taking this country toward -- further down the road of
democracy, and in so doing is dealing with -- as we speak, dealing with
people who are taking advantage of a free press.

And as I mentioned to you, I understand why people are reacting to that.
It's very important, however, that they react in a way that does honor to
the process and not resort to violence and destruction, and in some
countries, to death.

And so looking forward to it. See you all there, I hope.

Q Mr. President, one last --

THE PRESIDENT: Yes.

Q About the visit, can you state if you ever think of cancelling the visit
--

THE PRESIDENT: No, I'm not going to -- never thought about cancelling it.

Q No?

THE PRESIDENT: Of course not.

Q Because --

THE PRESIDENT: No, zero, zero chance.

Q So we are a good word for the students, they may get visas?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think we're working it very hard to make sure.
Obviously, Ambassador Crocker and the embassy there is the conscience. I
will pass this on to Condi when I talk to her just to make sure that she's
-- she's constantly calibrating and looking at the issue. We hear --
believe, we've had a lot of -- there are a lot of folks here that -- in
America, and a lot of embassies around the world, hear from respective
governments when there's backlogs and slowness. These voices that are
concerned about whether or not there's access to our universities are heard
loud and clear. Believe me, it's --

Q Mr. President, best antidote is exposing people to American people.

THE PRESIDENT: There you go.

Q That's the best antidote you have.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, thank you.

Q Don't restrict that.

THE PRESIDENT: Don't worry. Glad you're here. Good job.

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