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Press Briefing by Tony Snow
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For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
June 23, 2006

Press Briefing by Tony Snow
James S. Brady Briefing Room

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11:12 A.M. EDT

MR. SNOW: All right, welcome. Good to see a full house today. Let's go
through the basics. First, on the President's schedule today, remaining on
the schedule -- actually, he has just concluded a meeting with the Russia
experts. This is sort of analogous to his meeting a couple of weeks ago
with Iraq experts. They included Blake Marshall, the Executive Vice
President of the U.S.-Russia Business Council; Andrew Kuchins, Senior
Associate of the Carnegie Endowment; Clifford Gaddy, Senior Fellow at the
Brookings Institution; Marshall Goldman, Associate Director at the Harvard
Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies; and Steve Sestanovich, of
the Council on Foreign Relations.

Also ahead today, the White House tee ball game, and it looks like Mother
Nature is going to cooperate, so that will be on the South Lawn. There will
also be a meeting with the commander of the Multinational Force Iraq --
that would be General Casey -- later today.

In the week ahead, the President and the First Lady, on Sunday evening,
will attend the Gala at Ford's Theater.

On Monday, the President is going to meet with organizations that support
the U.S. military -- Americasupportsyou.com, and Americasupportsyou.mil.
The President also will have the photo opportunity with the 2006
Presidential Scholars. He will attend a Republican National Committee
finance luncheon -- that is closed press, but he's still doing it.
(Laughter.) And he will make remarks at the celebration of Black Music
Month, South Lawn at the White House. That's going to be a very cool event.
It's open press. I encourage you all to go out and see it.

Tuesday, the President is going to make remarks on the line-item veto at
the JW Marriott Hotel, which reminds me -- that is also the topic, the
line-item veto and the economy, the topics of this week's radio address.
He's going to participate in a photo opportunity with Staff Sergeant
Christian Bagge, who I think is also going to be jogging with the
President; is that not correct? The President is going to participate in a
meeting with National Endowment for Democracy award recipients, and
participate in the run with Staff Sergeant Bagge. Well, there you go.

Wednesday, the President will be traveling to St. Louis. He will attend a
Talent for Senate reception at the Ritz-Carlton.

Thursday, the President and Mrs. Bush are going to participate in the South
Lawn arrival ceremony for the Prime Minister of Japan. Everybody is looking
forward to Friday, but I'll get to that in a moment. The President will
also have a meeting with the Prime Minister of Japan in the Oval Office.
They'll have a joint press availability. The President and Mrs. Bush will
greet the Prime Minister of Japan at the North Portico -- open press for
that. Another photo opportunity with the Prime Minister, and they'll
participate in an official dinner in the State Dining Room. There will also
be entertainment afterward.

On Friday, it's Graceland. I can't wait. (Laughter.) The President and Mrs.
Bush are going to participate in a tour of Graceland with the Prime
Minister of Japan. They'll participate in a lunch with the Prime Minister,
and later that evening, in a complete change of venue and mode, he will
attend a Mike DeWine for U.S. Senate Reception.

Let's see, what other items of business do we have? We have just returned,
and as a matter of fact, many of your colleagues, I believe -- Sheryl, you
made it back. What time did you guys get off the plane?

Q A little after 3:00 a.m.

MR. SNOW: A little after 3:00 a.m. Well, God bless you for being here.

Q I saw Carlton here, too. Hardy souls.

MR. SNOW: Carlton -- he's young, he's an Ironman. He can do that stuff. Not
that you're not young. (Laughter.)

MR. SNOW: I'd like to revise and extend my remarks, if I might, having made
a total fool of myself. At any rate, welcome, it's good to have you.

Q Thank you, Mr. President. (Laughter.)

MR. SNOW: The U.S.-EU summit worked out quite well. The President was very
happy about it. He met, obviously, with the leadership. President Wolfgang
Sch ssel, the Austrian Chancellor, and also European Commission President
Jos Barroso, along with Javier Solana. They talked about a number of issues
of common interest -- promoting democracy around the world. Obviously, Iran
and Iraq both came into the mix there, but they also talked about Darfur,
they talked about Somalia, they talked about the need for democratic change
in Cuba, they talked about the vision for advancing a Europe whole, free
and at peace; working together to support the consolidation of democracy
and free markets in places like Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova.

There was also continued talk about cooperation in the global war on
terror, Iraq and Afghanistan. The President thanked his colleagues for help
there; preventing proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, there was
obviously conversation about North Korea in that vein; promotion of energy
security; there were also some candid and interesting exchanges about the
Doha round, and a whole lot more.

It was an interesting meeting, sort of behind the scenes. The Austrian
Chancellor did in fact conduct the meetings with a high degree of
efficiency, and he basically had a checklist. He had a meeting followed by
a luncheon, and it was, bam, bam, bam; one issue after another, and they
knocked them out. It ended up making sure that it was -- everybody got said
what they needed to have said.

Also, the President, as was pointed out in the press availabilities, went
ahead and raised the question that has been most troubling, or at least of
highest controversy in Europe, and that would be Guantanamo, explaining
that the United States was working within the law, that the President did
want to shut down Guantanamo. The Hamdan case by the Supreme Court,
obviously which will be judging the constitutionality of military
commissions, is of interest, and we're going to have some answer on that
relatively soon. And having explained that -- that was one little nuance
that his colleagues did not know about. But they expressed their joint
concerns on that.

Also today, the Secretary of Transportation, Norm Mineta, has sent a letter
of resignation to the President, effective July 7, 2006. He has informed
the President that after five-and-a-half years, he will be stepping down,
as I said.

After graduating from college, he joined the Army in 1953, he served as an
intelligence officer in Japan and Korea; 1967, entered public life first as
a member of the San Jose, California, City Council, and eventually became
the nation's first Asian Pacific American Mayor of a major U.S. city in San
Jose. He was elected to the House of Representatives, where he served for
20 years. He's been in two Cabinet positions: Secretary of Commerce under
President Clinton, and Secretary of Transportation under President Bush.

As Transportation Secretary, he cut regulation and red tape to liberalize
the commercial aviation market, obviously, established the Transportation
Security Agency, helped shaped the highway bill; he's been working on
highway safety and increasing seatbelt use; trying to introduce financial
discipline and sound economic principles to our passenger rail system; has
worked on two major CAFE increases, and has begun a major initiative to
reduce traffic congestion.

On the economic front, durable goods orders down 0.3 percent. That's much
-- there was an expected 0.5 percent rise. This is a highly volatile
indicator. Meanwhile, also, as you know, unemployment claims are at
308,000, and while that was higher than the week before, it's still
historically low and indicates that there is still considerable job growth.

And I think I've run through all the basics now. Let's do some questions.

Q On terrorist financing, the critics are saying again that this is another
indication that the White House is overstepping presidential authority. Why
isn't it?

MR. SNOW: Well, number one -- I'm glad you asked it. The stories that
appeared today were interesting, because all of the potential criticisms
were entirely abstract in nature, were not concrete, whereas the benefits
were fairly concrete, as were the legal steps.

I'll just read you a few highlights from The New York Times. "The program
is a significant departure from typical practice." Well, so was September
11th, and I think everybody acknowledges that in the wake of September 11th
it became necessary to try to use every means at our disposal to try to
figure out what terrorists were doing and to try to track them down and to
stop their activities. The program is, "highly unusual." I refer you to my
previous comment about September 11th.

Some officials, "expressed reservations about the program." The
reservations are not concrete. It says that, "What they viewed as an urgent
temporary measure has become permanent." That doesn't tell me anything.
That doesn't list a specific violation of anybody's private rights, it
doesn't specify any statute that may have been violated. "The program has
been described as exploiting a 'gray area.'" Difficult to figure out what
that means. The executives voiced, "early concerns about the program." That
was at Swift. Apparently those were resolved.

Meanwhile -- go ahead.

Q I think what they're saying is that the justification that you all are
using for this program is based on the September 11th disaster, and now
this program has been going on for five years, but there's no congressional
authority for it.

MR. SNOW: And what's interesting here is, for instance, in the -- well,
rise in peace, it says "It arguably complies with the letter of the law."
There was no specific allegation of any breach of responsibility for
notifying Congress. In addition, intelligence committees have been
notified, and they know all about this.

Let me tell you why this is important. It works. If you read the piece, it
works. The program has been tracing transactions of people suspected of
having ties to al Qaeda: Routine transactions confined to this country are
generally not in the database; it has sought only for terrorism
investigations; a series of safeguards have been put in place. For
instance, anybody trying to have access has to have a specific reason and a
specific piece of data that would justify going into the database.
Furthermore, to ensure that there has been no abuse, they've also had an
outside auditor take a look regularly at the program. This has been
reviewed by Intelligence Committees on the House, it's been reviewed by the
Fed and other financial institutions in the United States. Furthermore,
according to the piece, again, Swift and Treasury officials are aware of no
abuses, nor have any been alleged in the piece.

Here's what it has done -- this is the concrete part, as opposed to the
abstract, potential dangers. It helped capture Hambali, who was responsible
for the Bali bombing which killed more than 2,000 people.* It's provided
information on domestic terror cells. That's a good thing. It helped
identify a Brooklyn man convicted on terrorism-related charges last year.

So the point here is that the administration has been looking very
carefully at ways of trying within the letter and spirit of the law to be
able to shut off financing. It's a good thing to shut off the spigot, the
financial spigot. And it does seem to be working. Now we have stories of
people moving wads of cash over the borders -

Q Isn't it also to have it clear that it's legal, that there should be
court-approved warrants, which is a general practice, subpoenas, and that
kind of thing, to ensure that it --

MR. SNOW: Subpoenas, in fact, are not standard practice, no. Subpoenas are
actually not standard practice in this kind of activity.

Q Why didn't the President seek congressional authorization for the
program?

MR. SNOW: He didn't need to.

Q Why?

MR. SNOW: Because, why would he need it? Under what statute would he need
congressional authorization?

Q On what legal -- what is your legal basis for --

MR. SNOW: The legal basis -- no, the legal basis here is that you've got an
executive order, and furthermore, if you want to get into the legal
vagaries, I will send you over to the Treasury Department attorneys who
have been working this. I think it is safe to say that there's a
presumption here that the administration is trying to do an end run. If so,
it's interesting that people involved -- The Times refers generally to the
administration having people contacted. These people are involved in the
intelligence business, who knew about it, who are members of Congress, and
who were informed about the program, who specifically asked The New York
Times not to publish it.

So this is not something -- you might want to ask members of the
intelligence committees whether they thought they got an end-run on this
one.

Q Well, given all that you're saying, and given the fact that it has been
well known publicly that the government has endeavored to cut off the
financial spigot, to use your term, why did the administration go to such
intense lengths to stop the publication of something that people think is
somewhat self-evident?

MR. SNOW: Because the means and methods by which we do it are not.

Q But the existence of this organization is no secret, either.

MR. SNOW: Are you kidding? Are you talking about Swift? When did you know
about Swift before?

Q I'm talking about those in the --

MR. SNOW: -- know about Swift before? (Laughter.)

Q While I don't, I can assure you that people in the financial community
know.

MR. SNOW: I guarantee, you go talk to your local banker -- you talk about
--

Q Why doesn't it --

MR. SNOW: It is legal, Helen.

Q What is the law that allows you to go into the private --

MR. SNOW: I'll tell you what, we will attach -- we'll get our lawyers to
attach all this and it will just --

Q No, no, just give me the law --

MR. SNOW: I am going to give you the law.

Go ahead.

Q You don't even know --

MR. SNOW: You're absolutely right, I do not know the specific statute,
which is why I will present it to you.

Q But, again, why go to the extraordinary effort of trying to get news
media to inform people what their government is doing?

MR. SNOW: Well, I'll tell you what, does CNN disclose what it does with the
financial information or personal information of the people who log onto
its website? Does The New York Times? Does The L.A. Times? Your
organizations all collect personal data on people who use your services.
But there's a second point --

Q Do you not understand the difference between private companies and
governments, sir?

MR. SNOW: I understand. I do understand. But what I'm saying here is, what
the public -- I'll tell you what, you ask the American public, do you want
-- do you think you have a right to know the specific means and methods by
which --

Q That's not --

MR. SNOW: Helen, will you stop heckling and let me conduct a press
conference.

Q -- argument.

MR. SNOW: Well, no, I'm making an argument, and you're pestering the
teacher.

Okay, now, here -- I think the American people understand that if somebody
says, how is it that you're tracking down terrorist financing? We don't
want the terrorist to know that. That's an important thing for them not to
know. But now what's happening is that some of the means and methods are
available. What happens is they adjust their own techniques accordingly.

Now, here's the other interesting thing. If there were some specific
allegation that there was an abuse here, that people 's rights were in
jeopardy, that there was a violation of law -- none of which is alleged; I
mean, you keep asking me what the laws are -- it's not even mentioned in
here, in The New York Times or any of the pieces that ran today, there is
no allegation of illegality.

Go ahead.

Q Let me ask a follow up. Are you saying that the financial experts in the
terrorist ranks would not know about an organization that works for 7,800
different financial institutions in 200 countries?

MR. SNOW: I'm saying, yes. I think that a lot of people didn't know about
the existence of Swift.

Q I asked, though, about the terrorist financial experts, the ones you
would worry about, the ones --

MR. SNOW: I'm not sure they did. I really don't.

Q Tony, would you allow, though, that there could be a deterrent effect in
this information becoming public, that the terrorists know that you're
looking at this and they're going to have to find another less effective
way to do this, and perhaps less successful way and a more easily
discoverable way?

MR. SNOW: It's a good point. I think it's -- but I'm not sure the
revelation of the methods is all that useful, but the government has said
many times, we're going after your finances. And it's also clear that the
financial trails have been drying up. And it's also clear that in some
cases you do have stories of people baling up wads of cash and carrying
them through the mountains of Pakistan and so on to try to transmit. So
there clearly has been a deterrent effect. I don't know if it's traceable
to this program; I don't know if it's traceable -- I'm not sure I can
disaggregate the specific causes of it, but it is clear that the efforts to
try to choke off terror financing have enjoyed a certain measure of
success. And that's a good thing.

Q But there is a suggestion in some of the stories that the program isn't
even that useful anymore because of the way al Qaeda moves money around is
such an informal -- they have such an informal way of doing it now, that it
doesn't even go through these official means, and that the program, in
fact, invades everyone's privacy, but for very little use.

MR. SNOW: How does it invade people's privacy?

Q Well, by learning personal data.

MR. SNOW: No, but it is restricted. Again, it is not looking at your
privacy, it's not looking at mine, unless --

Q How is it restricted?

MR. SNOW: It is restricted to -- you have to have intelligence data that
would justify looking into the records of a person. All right? And that
person has to have links to al Qaeda. Those are the basic guidelines. If
you're not a member of al Qaeda -- and, Peter, I have it on good authority
that you're not -- you're safe. They're not going to look at your records.

Go ahead, Jessica.

Q Is there anything in this emergency provision for the President that
limits the administration from making a rule that lets you guys look into
everyone's personal data?

MR. SNOW: Is there anything that limits? There's absolutely --

Q Any limits to the President's power, in your view --

MR. SNOW: There is no contemplation of any such action, period.

Q No, but the question is, is there anything in the law that you use to
justify -- that the administration uses to justify these programs --

MR. SNOW: The law is very specific, which is talking about going at --

Q -- that limits the President's power?

MR. SNOW: Yes. The limit of trying to go after terrorists, that in itself
is self-limiting because it limits the body of people whose financial
transactions and other data are going to be investigated.

Q In previous cases when intelligence methods have been revealed in the
news, the administration has not talked about them. This time you've
trotted the Treasury officials to talk about them. Why have you done this?
Is the administration concerned --

MR. SNOW: I think it was because --

Q -- that you're not being effective in getting this out to the people and
justifying it?

MR. SNOW: I think it's important -- the one thing we can say is that Jim
Risen and Eric Lichtblau and Bill Keller and others had -- and other
reporters who did this, got extensive knowledge and briefing on this. So
they knew it. And that's why -- I mean, it's interesting because I think
there's a fair amount of balance in the story in that you do have concrete
benefits and you do have the kind of abstract harms that were mentioned in
there. I think it's important in a case like this, and obviously, we didn't
want to print it. But we also wanted to make sure that as the reporters
went through and as the editors went through it that they were fully
informed so that they could make their own judgment, and that is what they
did.

Go ahead. Let me get to Sheryl.

Q You had mentioned that the intelligence committees were briefed. Can you
talk specifically about how members of Congress were briefed about this
program, and when? And if the types --

MR. SNOW: No. Because I don't know.**

Q Can you also find out, if you don't know, were the briefings that
Congress received on this program similar or different than the ones
members received on the NSA wire tapping?

MR. SNOW: We'll asterisk that one --

MS. PERINO: Treasury is having a press conference at 1:00 p.m.

MR. SNOW: Yes, that's true, the Treasury, actually -- Secretary Snow is
going to have a press conference on it. And frankly, he knows it far better
than I do. So I think -- transfer there; if we don't get answers then,
we'll do it.

Get back to the far row, let me move a little further back, and then we'll
come back. Yes.

Q Tony, I just want to say that terrorists or al Qaeda, wherever they are
in Pakistan or wherever, they know what we are doing, including they're
watching this press briefing, and each time the tape comes out. My
different question is that yesterday was the greatest day as far as
U.S.-India relations are concerned, at the (inaudible) -- the Chamber of
Commerce, U.S.-India Visitors Council, Vice President was the speaker and
so was the Under Secretary Burns, Nicholas -- Nicholas Burns.

They had a clear message for the world's greatest body, the United States
Congress, as far as U.S.-India (inaudible) nuclear agreement is concerned.
As far is President is concerned, how is President doing now because the
vote in the Congress is coming soon, maybe in the next week or two?

MR. SNOW: Let me put it this way, the President considers this a top
priority. Period. And wants both Houses of Congress to act on it and act
affirmatively.

Q Can you talk a little bit about the Russia experts meeting, what the
President wants to get out of it and --

MR. SNOW: It's --

Q -- let me get just get a couple of things quickly out. Is there any
formal mechanism for reporting the advice they gave, or is this just
shaping the President's general view?

MR. SNOW: No, it's giving the President more data. Such -- for instance,
one, we had the meeting with the Iraq experts at Camp David. You get people
with differing points of view -- the President, when he gets ready for a
trip like this, and when he gets ready to do policies like this, he's not
somebody who simply goes through a punch list that's been prepared by the
Department of State or the NSC. He likes to read about it, he likes to talk
to people. He read a number of books before going to Austria and Hungary --
and no, I'm not going to tell you what they were. But he gets -- he's very
interested in this stuff, and he likes to bring in experts. And my guess is
there may be even further sessions as we move toward the G8.

But it's one of these things where there is -- what he does is he asks for
their honest opinions, and quite often they're going to be differing
opinions about what's going on in Russia, what's going on in Russian
culture, how Russia is interacting with its European neighbors, and a whole
series of other things. Because obviously, Russia is a very critical
partner in Iraq, in North Korea, dealing with Iran. In a number of these
places, the Russians are, in fact, playing an important role, and it's, I
think -- any piece of information the President can get in terms of being
more effective in dealing with them as a world leader -- I think you saw
again -- getting back to the EU Summit, and this is related -- the ability
to get along with Chancellor Sch ssel -- those are important things to be
able to do.

So the President uses this as a chance, really, to give him more
information that he can bring to bear as he's trying to make decisions
about the best way to go forward. And obviously, there are going to be a
lot of important and interesting things to do.

Q So it's pre-G8, it's --

MR. SNOW: It's pre-G8 and it's also generally talking about Russia. I mean,
Russia is right in the middle of a lot of things that we're dealing with
right now.

Q Tony, why did the Transportation Secretary resign?

MR. SNOW: Because he wanted to. He was not being pushed out. There's no --
as a matter of fact, the President, the Vice President, and others were
happy with him and they suggested that --

Q He felt like he had put in his time?

MR. SNOW: Yes, he put in five-and-a-half years. That's a long time.

Q I have a follow-up on Iraq. Do you know anything about some sort of peace
agreement being assembled by Iraq granting amnesty? And also, a U.N.
approval -- approved timetable for withdrawal of foreign troops? Is there
some sort of package coming out from Iraq this weekend?

MR. SNOW: No. But let me -- first, the U.N. I don't think would be the
proper venue. The Iraqi government is -- we've said many times, we're
working with the Iraqis, to stand up and stand down, to figure out what are
the appropriate ways to use the military. As a matter of fact, you've seen
the Muthanna province now. I think the British and the Japanese have
withdrawn their ground troops and allowed the Iraqis to take full
responsibility. And over time, that will happen in the other 17 provinces.

But there is certainly no talk -- and the one thing that was very clear in
the President's discussions in Baghdad, nobody wants the United States to
leave. Not right now. They do want the United States to leave eventually,
when the nation is free and secure.

Now, Prime Minister Maliki is looking at a number of ways under national
reconciliation to try to make it possible for the Iraqis to forge an even
stronger sense of national identity and unity. And one of those things has
been -- for instance, he's granted amnesty to 2,500 prisoners so far. There
have been varying press accounts. But as far as I can tell, there is yet no
subtle policy on people who have been combatants. Apparently, the latest
story was, well, people who have done harm would not get amnesty, but
people who may have carried arms could be eligible. I think the Iraqis are
still working through this. Again, it has not reached the stage of a
formalized plan upon which people are going to act. But we're going to keep
an eye on it. But I know nothing about any kind of U.N.-brokered deal in
terms of troop levels, and I would be very surprised if that were the case.

Q Back to the banking transactions, how can you assure the American public
that this isn't what seems to be a broad net covering all Americans -- you
said no, subpoenas are needed, but warrants apparently weren't used,
either. Very similar, and apparently this is parallel to the NSA case,
which gives the perception, if nothing else, that it's an arrogance of
presidential power and --

MR. SNOW: I think what you've done is just reveal the lens through which
you're looking at it, which is suspicious, skeptical, and doesn't seem to
understand that the word "terrorist" has real meaning, and furthermore,
that somebody does have to have stated legal reasons and evidence to
support it to enter the database.

I would suggest going back and actually reading more carefully the stories,
because they do not convey the dark impression you try to convey in the
question.

Q But you're not conveying the legality of it. That's the question here.

MR. SNOW: I'm not a lawyer, so I would suggest, if you want to get into the
legal issues, talk to the Treasury Department lawyers and also to the legal
--

Q We're asking you.

MR. SNOW: I know, but I'm not a lawyer, Helen, and, frankly --

Q You don't have to be a lawyer, you should have just gotten the
information from inside, as to what they base it on.

MR. SNOW: Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

Q It's our understanding that the House intel committees weren't really
briefed until May, and that's about the time that this thing started
leaking out. So you really didn't brief these guys until you had to.

MR. SNOW: As I said, you may want to ask them about whether they supported
the publication of this.

Q The question is when did you brief them?

MR. SNOW: I don't know.

Q Can you find that out?

Q Scott --

MR. SNOW: That would be "Tony." (Laughter.)

Q Tony, last December, the President was outraged about the NSA revelations
in The New York Times. Can you summarize for us his reaction --

MR. SNOW: I'm sorry, what?

Q Last December, the President was clearly outraged by the NSA revelations
in the paper. How does he feel about this, and can you summarize his
reaction? We sense, and some statements indicate, that there's anger here.

MR. SNOW: I think categorizing emotions is less important than telling you
what the policy is, which is, it is important to try to maintain the
security programs that are designed to save American lives. And that's what
these programs are designed to do. Whatever the perceptions in any of the
rows in this room may be, the design of these programs is to save people,
and it's to save them by tracking down terrorists and not innocent
citizens.

Again, keep in mind -- and I would direct you back to the stories from
which -- that have initiated this discussion today, which is: terrorists,
you have to have evidence to look at it, you've got outside auditors
looking at it, you have had the international banking community looking at
it. This has had a whole series of safeguards that may not be readily
apparent, and I'm sorry I can't fake being a lawyer up here, but there have
been an extensive series of safeguards designed to protect the individuals
who have not been committing acts of terror, and at the same time to track
down those who are guilty of it.

Q Tony, notwithstanding all of that, there is a perception in some quarters
--

MR. SNOW: Like here. (Laughter.)

Q -- that when you combine the revelations about the NSA programs, when you
combine this with that, and --

MR. SNOW: Okay, well, let me --

Q Well, let me just finish. One other perception that many have, many do
have, which is that they cannot count on their privacy rights from the
government, it's government intrusion.

MR. SNOW: The perception seems to be more limited to -- with all due
respect -- to members of the press corps. If you take a look -- no, if you
ask people -- go ahead and look at your own poll, and you will find that
Americans, if somebody says, do you want a program that listens in on
people who have been identified as al Qaeda terrorists, their answer would
be, yes, I would like to do that, I would like to find data on it.

Furthermore, we have run through many times the safeguards that were put
into that program and there has yet to be a single person who rose up and
said, you know what, they violated my privacy. So what we are talking about
are theoretical problems, as opposed to programs that have produced
concrete results.

Q But aren't constitutional provisions oftentimes written, and haven't they
been written, to protect against theoretical problems?

MR. SNOW: Absolutely. And furthermore, these programs have been designed to
try to deal with theoretical problems, as well. They were all designed very
carefully to make sure that innocents were not, in fact, the victims of
unwarranted surveillance by any government department or agency. That's
very important.

Lester.

Q Tony, two questions. Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney of New York reports
that after five different letters from dozens of congressmen to the
President, the Department of Health and Human Services has written her on
behalf of the President, conveying the administration's support for "the
availability of safe and effective products and services to assist
responsible adults in making decisions about preventing or delaying
conception." And my question: Why did this answer take so long, and why did
you and Scott McClellan evade it five different times?

MR. SNOW: Because there wasn't an opportunity for a sixth until now.
(Laughter.)

Q Tony, CNN quotes Congressman and U.S. Senate candidate Bernie Sanders of
Vermont, calling on liberals to take on what he labeled as "right-wing nuts
on talk radio." And my question: Do you, as a recent veteran talk radio
host, and the President believe that this U.S. Senate candidate is either
charitable or accurate?

MR. SNOW: I don't think the President has a specific opinion on the topic,
and --

Q What is your opinion, as a talk show host?

MR. SNOW: Well, my opinion is not relevant because I'm speaking on behalf
of the President.

Q Two evasions.

Q The House Republican leadership has decided to put off a vote on
immigration while holding hearings around the country. What does the
President think about that?

MR. SNOW: Well, what's interesting is the signal -- the House Republican
leadership has also said, we want to get something done. I think there are
differences between the House and Senate, and what's going on is the House
is going to hold hearings, and I think that's going to be an interesting
and productive exercise. The President also takes House leaders at their
word when, this week, they said they want to get something done this year.

In that case, the President wants to make sure it's comprehensive, that
there is -- you're not going to serve the larger purpose by trying to
cherry-pick one or two items when it's pretty clear that there are a menu
of concerns and it's best to address them all and to address them in a way
that allows us to deal with the immigration problem in a way that secures
our borders, that keeps our economy strong, that reinforces the rule of
law, and that also says to people who want to work hard and follow the
traditional path to American citizenship and who want to be good American
citizens who speak the language, who work hard, who pay taxes, who raise
families, who share American values, that our arms are still open to them.

So all of those things are concerns, and I think House leaders probably
ought to get out around the country and listen to what people have to say.
Certainly the feedback we're getting is that people do want comprehensive
reform. And the President has made it absolutely clear what his view is.
And we are aware now of some communications between members of the House
and Senate that could prove quite productive on this front.

Q Okay, but isn't that just sort of the good news part of it? I mean,
they're going to delay this now until close to the election -- how are you
going to have a vote on such a politically difficult matter, with one of
the most critical elections in years just a couple months away?

MR. SNOW: Well, again, this is -- you're leaping to conclusions. Heaven
knows what tomorrow holds. I think it's going to be -- the President is
going to continue to speak about immigration, and he's going to talk to the
American people about it. And members of the House of Representatives I'm
certain are going to hear.

Don't make it -- you know, look, if close to the election Congress enacts
comprehensive reform, you know what's going to happen? People are going to
clap they're hands; they'll say, good, it's good that the American
government dealt with our concerns about security and dealt with our
concerns about identifying those who are here illegally; dealt with the
idea of going after employers who knowingly hire illegals; dealt with the
quandary of how you deal with 11 to 12 million people who have come here.
How many of them want to say, set a tough path to citizenship that includes
going to the back of the line, holding a job, paying taxes, obeying the
law, knowing the culture and the language -- all of those are things that
people support, and I think the more we talk about it, probably the better
it's going to be. And if all of that happens at the end of the day, I think
the American people would be pretty happy about it.

Q So, bottom line, this is a good idea, then; what they're doing is a good
idea?

MR. SNOW: It is always a good idea to try to debate fully an important
issue.

Helen.

Q What is the President's position on extension of the Voting Rights Act?

MR. SNOW: He wants the Voting Rights Act extended, and he's been very clear
about it.

Q The President said a few times in the past few weeks that he would love
to close Guantanamo Bay. Can you give us a sense of what he has directed
folks inside of his administration to do to make that happen, or are you
sort of in a holding pattern with the Hamdan?

MR. SNOW: In a bit of a holding pattern, and I want to sort of warn against
sort of false optimism that once the Hamdan thing is resolved one way or
another that it's a snap, because you still have the disposition of 400
cases. There are a series of related things that one has to deal with. The
majority of the people remaining in Guantanamo are from three countries:
They're from Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Yemen. In some of those cases,
if we were to try to repatriate, human rights groups would say, no, don't
do it.

Now, it's interesting to see that some of our colleagues in Europe are now
talking about trying to help in some way with this, and we don't know what
that means, but it would be interesting to see.

The second problem, then, is how do you go ahead and have full legal
disposition of these cases. If it goes into the criminal courts, that takes
time. If it goes into military commissions, that takes time. Either way,
you have to go ahead and give those who would undergo trial rights of
representation, and let due process work its course. So either way, the
process is going to take some time. But the President does want it shut
down.

Q But is there movement? Are you folks trying to come up with a way to
either put them on trial or send them home? Is there active effort to --

MR. SNOW: There's active -- absolutely. There's war gaming on all of it and
trying to figure out how all of it works. And again, it's a lot of moving
parts. The President has also said, there's a core of about 50 that he
refers to as the throat-slitters, cold-blooded killers who, if released,
would try to kill Americans or others. And he is loathe to let them go, to
release them into the streets; does not want to try to explain to the
parents of somebody who has fallen in action against terrorists, why that
person would be back on the streets. Those are the tough cases that we have
to figure out a proper way to deal with legally.

The other cases in some ways may be a little easier. There you get into the
technical issues of how you repatriate them and under what circumstances.
And yes, we're trying to -- how do you work with international
organizations, how do you work with allies. All of those things are under
consideration. But you're absolutely right, until we hear from the Supreme
Court -- which, let's face it, probably should be within the next week --
we're in a bit of a holding pattern. And at that point, then you start
really grinding through the options. At this point, you sort of have a
basic framework. But after that, that's when you know what you have to deal
with and you proceed from there.

Victoria.

Q Going back to The New York Times story. You were talking about since
September the 11th, and you said we'd fight terror with every means at our
disposal. Could you define that phrase for us?

MR. SNOW: Yes, every means legally. That means that you will use
intelligence -- by the way, let me back up, because I --

Q That's not what you said -- "at our disposal."

MR. SNOW: Every means at our disposal -- then I will claim guilty to a bit
of loose verbiage, because when I say, at our disposal as a government, at
our disposal are not illegal means. That is not at our disposal. As a
President who has sworn to uphold, protect and defend the Constitution of
the United States of America, live within the Constitution and live within
the boundaries of the law -- within the Constitution and the boundaries of
the law, we will do what we can to try to prevent terrorists from killing
innocent people.

Let me also add, and just -- and I'll let you get back -- the executive
order is Executive Order 13224, signed on September 21, 2001. It authorized
the Treasury Department, in conjunction with other Cabinet agencies, to use
all appropriate measures to identify, track and pursue not only those who
commit terrorist acts here and abroad, but also those who provide financial
and other support. So that is your legal justification.

Also, it is firmly rooted -- and I apologize for this, I had not flipped my
page, because I did have the brief on it -- other statutory mandates and
executive orders. These would include the International Emergency Economic
Powers Act of 1977. I will repeat, the International Emergency Economic
Powers Act of 1977, and also the United Nations Participation Act. So those
are some of the key bases legally for this program.

Q Tony, the critics are pointing to the emergency section of that second --

MR. SNOW: Well, look, you've got a war on terror. It is an emergency. They
can -- if they want to argue that terrorists are still --

Q He can do that temporarily, but then he needs to seek congressional
authority to continue. It's been going on for five year.

MR. SNOW: Let's see how this proceeds.

Q Let me ask my second question. Earlier in the week, the President was
talking about Guantanamo, and he said publicly that some of them were
cold-blooded killers, and if they go back on the streets, they'll kill
again, same thing that you said -- and that they need to go on trial. Is
there any presumption of innocence whatsoever with regard to --

MR. SNOW: Of course there is. You're absolutely right. Obviously, there's a
suspicion, but, yes, you still have to presume innocence when you go into a
court of law, and those who render judgment will have to do the same.

Q On North Korea, have you seen any -- has the administration seen any
signs that the warnings they have given have -- are working at getting the
North Koreans to back down from a proposed missile test, or contacts with
U.S. allies?

MR. SNOW: Let me put it this way. First, you've got to be careful whenever
talking about the situation in North Korea. This is not the United States
versus North Korea. And as a matter of fact, if you listen to comments made
in recent days by the government of Japan, the government of China, the
government of South Korea, and the Russians, also, they've all said that
the North Koreans shouldn't fire a missile. That is not a warning, that's a
piece of advice.

And the United States has said all along -- we've not issued warnings, what
we've said is, it would not be constructive to go back on the self-imposed
moratorium from 1999. Instead, what the North Koreans need to do is to come
back to the six-party talks. And then, furthermore, on the September
agreement, there is provision for other ways of dealing -- for the United
States and North Korea to deal with one another. But under the September
19th agreement of last year, North Korea has to come back to the table.
They have to bargain in good faith and work toward issues of regional
security.

Now, the problem with North Korea is -- and you've heard the President, the
Vice President, the Defense Secretary and everybody else use the same term,
but it's true, and the Secretary of State -- it's not a transparent
society. So the idea that somehow we know what's going on in the minds of
Kim Jong-il or others, we don't. It's one of those things.

Q -- more contacts, and discussions through, say, their U.N. reps --

MR. SNOW: I think the North Koreans -- no. I mean, there is not hugely -- I
think most of the contacts have been from outside partners in toward North
Korea, rather than the other way around.

Q Tony, I believe that Secretary Mineta remains the only Democrat the
President has appointed. Does he believe it's important to retain a
bipartisan note on the Cabinet, or does party affiliation --

MR. SNOW: I think at this point you look for the best people you can get.
And if that means that there will be a Democrat to fill that or other
slots, then that would be the case.

Q Second. As the President begins to do his homework leading up to the
Russia trip, what are his current feelings about Putin? Does he remain a
trustworthy friend, or has he evolved into something else?

MR. SNOW: First, he has not "begun" to do his homework, he does it all the
time, and especially in dealing with Putin and with the Russians. Look, the
President and President Putin have a pretty good working relationship. They
talk regularly, they talked last week.

And this is one of the situations where the United States and Russia -- and
you've got two strong leaders who really do talk very frankly to each
other. Very happy to report that, especially in the situations with Iran
and North Korea, the Russians have been very constructive and very helpful
here. And so on these issues the Presidents are working well together.
They're going to disagree on some stuff.

Q What about with respect to what's going on in Russia?

MR. SNOW: Well, there may be some conversation about that, but at this
point, I'm not going to lift the veil on it.

Sheryl.

Q On Iran, Steve Hadley said yesterday that it would be useful if the
Iranians would respond by the time of the G8 summit. Is it the President's
position that the Iranians should respond by that time?

MR. SNOW: Yes, the President would like them -- look, the President would
like them to respond tomorrow if the answer were "yes," and they were ready
to renounce -- ready to suspend enrichment and reprocessing activities. He
would like them to respond quickly and affirmatively to the series of
incentives.

Q Do you have a deadline in mind?

MR. SNOW: The President and the -- the President is not the guy who
dictates this solely, as you know. The United States is joining the EU3 --
and for that matter, the P5 plus one -- in negotiating on this issue.

And so, let me put it this way, all the partners are agreed that Iran
should respond -- to use the formulation now familiar -- in weeks, not
months, and that the precondition should be that the Iranians suspend
enrichment-related and reprocessing activities, and -- maybe this is the
most important part -- that the answer come through the channel through
which the offer was conveyed, because we've got a number of differing
answers and responses from different actors in the Iranian government. We
have suggested, and our partners agree, that Mr. Larijani, through Javier
Solana, should provide the official response because that way, at least you
know what you're getting, which is, that will serve as the official Iranian
government response. So those are kind of the key aspects.

Q -- accept August 22nd as the official Iranian --

MR. SNOW: I think the -- the position is that they should be able to assess
it before then.

Q Tony, a follow up, if I may, more or less on the same issue. The focus on
Iran has been on nuclear weapons, and is. But yesterday at the Pentagon,
General Casey said that one of the four critical points of security in Iraq
is Iran, and the fact that it aids and abets the enemy, also the Hezbollah,
which is financed by Iran. Is there any shift in focus on that, and --

MR. SNOW: Yesterday, in Budapest, National Security Advisor Hadley made the
same point, which is, look, the Iranians can do a lot of things. There are
a lot of issues on the table. There's human rights, there's terrorism. The
series of issues that separate Iran from the international community are
not limited to the possibility of developing a nuclear weapon. There are a
whole series of other issues. And what Mr. Hadley said was that one of the
ways the Iranians can start demonstrating that they wish to operate in good
faith is to suspend those activities, to suspend terror activities, to
suspend sending things across the border, to suspend support for Hezbollah,
and so on.

So those are things the Iranians can do on their own without having to
consult anybody to demonstrate good faith in these matters. So absolutely,
these remain sources of concern and attention from the United States
government.

Q And a follow up, if I may. If you look at what's time sensitive, the
enrichment problem and nukes for Iran are months, if not years, down the
road. This is now -- it's undermining the existing new government in Iraq.
And saying or recognizing by Hadley that it's a problem doesn't get it
done. Is the United States putting any pressure anyway on Iran trying to
solve these problems?

MR. SNOW: Ivan, you're leaping to intelligence conclusions that I'm neither
going to agree or disagree with. But you seem to -- you seem to be drawing
a series of conclusions about the relative nature of the threats, and so
on.

The United States -- there are many ways of doing this, and the Iranians,
at various junctures, have actually talked about trying to cooperate on
these measures. Then, as you know, they stepped away and said they didn't
want to cooperate with it. The important thing is, it's on their shoulders.
The Iranians have to make a decision, two roads: one path, a whole lot of
incentives, that will welcome them back into the international community,
economically, socially, culturally; or on the other hand is a series of
disincentives th