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Ärende: Press Release (0505054) for Thu, 2005 May 5
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Press Briefing by Scott McClellan
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For Immediate Release
May 5, 2005

Press Briefing by Scott McClellan
The James S. Brady Press Briefing Room

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  þ Phone call with President Hu
      þ Reference B
      þ Reference C
      þ Reference D
  þ Meeting with President Obasanjo
      þ Reference B
  þ Charles Taylor extradition
      þ Reference B
  þ Social Security reform
  þ North Korean immigrants
  þ Oil production
  þ Sudan
  þ Bolton document requests
  þ Al Qaeda terrorist arrest
  þ Treasury bonds
  þ Funds appropriated to Palestinian Authority
  þ National Day of Prayer event
  þ British elections
  þ Russian participation with Palestinian Authority
  þ Letter sent to Latvian President
  þ Energy Prices

12:35 P.M. EDT

MR. McCLELLAN: Good afternoon. I want to begin with one world leader call
from earlier today. The President had a good conversation with President
Hu, of China.

Q Who?

Q Who?

MR. McCLELLAN: Here we go. (Laughter.) You all need to go home and pack,
and get ready for the trip.

The President and President Hu discussed North Korea, and the importance of
the six-party talks. The two leaders reiterated their commitment to working
together toward a nuclear-free Peninsula, while expressing concern about
North Korea. They agreed on the importance of progress on bilateral trade
and economic issues, and they also discussed Taiwan. President Hu briefed
the President on the historic visits to China by opposition leaders. The
President urged President Hu to continue working on ways to reach out to
President Chen as the duly-elected leader of Taiwan.

Here shortly this afternoon, the President looks forward to welcoming
President Obasanjo back to the White House. The two leaders, I expect, will
discuss a range of bilateral and regional issues, including the situation
in Sudan and our support for the efforts to expand the African Union
mission in Darfur.

And with that, I will be glad to go to your questions.

Q Scott, whom does Hu believe has the best opportunity to convince North
Korea to put away its nuclear program? Is it China or is it the U.S.?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think all of us came together in the six-party talk
process to work on our shared concern, which is North Korea's development
of nuclear weapons. And that's why it's an issue that affects everybody in
the region. And that's why the President felt it was important for all of
us to come together and work through the six-party talks. We hope North
Korea will change their mind and come back to the talks. They had expressed
a commitment to coming to the talks. Since that time, they have shown an
unwillingness to come back to the talks. The talks are the best way forward
toward resolving this issue.

Q Has Hu suggested the President get into bilateral talks with North Korea?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, as you're well aware, we've stated our views on that.
There's plenty of opportunity through the six-party process for the two
countries to speak to each other if they need to. But, no, that wasn't
something that came up in this call.

Q Scott, Republican Congressman Ed Royce, who is the Vice-Chairman of the
House Subcommittee on Africa, wrote an op/ed today in The New York Times,
and I'm told he also called the White House, to try to emphasize that he
thinks the President needs to bring up with Nigerian leader Obasanjo the
issue of Charles Taylor, and where -- why he's still being kept in Nigeria,
rather than being tried. Is the President going to bring that up at this
meeting?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, let's let the meeting take place, and then we'll have
an opportunity to talk about it.

But first of all, let me back up. We appreciate the constructive role that
Nigeria played in ending the civil war in Liberia back in 2003, when they
accepted Charles Taylor. The administration and Congress share a common
goal that a way needs to be found for Charles Taylor to be held to account
for the crimes he has committed. And we have been working with Nigeria,
Liberia, the United Nations, the Economic Community of West African States,
and the African Union to address the matter. And that's what we will
continue to do.

Q But wouldn't it just take simply the President saying to Mr. Obasanjo,
please release him and send him back to appear in a court?

MR. McCLELLAN: As I said, we've been engaged with this with Nigeria, as
well as those other countries and organizations that I mentioned. And we
will continue to do so. We believe a way needs to be found for him to be
held to account for the crimes he committed. And that's something we share
with Congress.

Q Why has he been sitting there for two years?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, again, you have to go back and look at what happened
in Liberia. And it was important that we bring about peace and stability in
Liberia. And we worked very closely with African nations and President
Obasanjo. President Obasanjo was very helpful in helping to end that civil
war there. And we had urged that Charles Taylor leave Liberia so that we
could move forward on peace and stability. And that's what occurred.

Q Has the President's campaign on selling a new Social Security approach
ended now, basically in travel? How many states did he visit and how much
of the taxpayers' money did he use to sell?

MR. McCLELLAN: A couple of things. First of all, I think we've visited some
25 states up to now. The 60-day push on educating the American people about
the problems facing Social Security has ended. But this is an issue that
affects all Americans, and the President believes it's important to
continue reaching out to the American people and involving them in this
discussion as we move forward to get something done.

Congress is now moving forward on the legislative front. Senator Grassley
and Chairman Thomas are committed to moving forward on legislation in their
committees in an effort to get something done this year. And we appreciate
those efforts. This is a high priority.

And we know that Social Security is working fine for seniors today. Seniors
today have nothing to worry about because nothing is going to change for
them. But we've got to make it better for younger workers, and that means
making it permanently sound and giving them the option to control some of
their own savings, if they so choose, so that they can realize a much
greater rate of return on their savings. And the President --

Q How much money did the President spend --

MR. McCLELLAN: The President will continue going out across the country
reaching out to the American people. I don't have a figure on that right
now, Helen.

Q Can you get it?

MR. McCLELLAN: I'll see what I can do.

Q Scott, during the call with Hu, did the President bring up the currency
issue? Is that something that he brought up?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, keep in mind, I did say that they did talk about
economic and trade issues and the importance of making progress on those
issues. In terms of the currency issue, I'd just say that Treasury stays in
regular contact with China and has an ongoing discussion with them on the
matter. And I think our views are well-known and Treasury has stated them
recently in the past.

Q So the President didn't bring it up?

MR. McCLELLAN: I just said that they talked about economic and trade
issues, and I think I'd just leave it at that, for the call. But that's
what I wanted to point out to you, that there are ongoing discussions
Treasury has with China on these matters.

Q Who initiated the call?

MR. McCLELLAN: It was a mutually agreed to call. Obviously, those were
three different areas that we have been working closely with Russia [sic]
to address some shared interests.

Q If I could go back to Charles Taylor for a minute. You said a way needs
to be found to hold him to account. Are you looking at ways other than the
court in Sierra Leone, and if so, what would be some of the other ways in
which he could be held to account?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think that's a matter that we're continuing to
discuss with Nigeria and Liberia, the United Nations, ECOWAS and others to
find that way. And we've been in discussions with members of Congress about
it, as well.

Q What are some of the possibilities?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think I'll leave it to those discussions, and we'll
continue to discuss a way forward to hold him to account. But we've always
felt that he needs to be held accountable.

Q Scott, was there any talk with Hu on North Korean immigrants? And a
related question is, there's apparently a growing number of the immigrants
who are in the United States illegally, but they're caught in kind of a
limbo because there's a law that allows them to seek asylum, but not if
they've gone through South Korea. And it looked like a delicate problem
because China might be annoyed if somehow we gave them -- granted them
asylum. And it's hard for them to get to the United States without going
through South Korea because it's apparently hard for them to get into the
U.S. embassy in Beijing because it's so fortified. Is the administration
looking into this problem?

MR. McCLELLAN: A couple of things. One, on the first part of your question,
no, it wasn't something that was discussed in this phone call. On the
second part of that question, I leave you -- leave it to State Department
to give you the latest update in terms of matters relating to asylum.

Q Scott, on the upcoming meeting with the Nigerian President, two things,
one about oil. The President, a couple of weeks ago, met with the Crown
Prince of Saudi Arabia. And many persons thought that he's not going to
limit his request for increased oil production just there. Is the President
going to ask Nigeria's President to increase oil production? And can
Nigeria increase its 7 percent to 8 percent of oil production that we
receive here?

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, again, I don't want to jump ahead of the meeting. We
need to let the meeting take place. There are a number of important issues
that they will be discussing. And like I said, one of those I'm sure that
will come up is Sudan. In terms of the issue of oil, Nigeria is one of many
producing nations around the world. And so, yes, we do --

Q Sweet light crude that we particularly like.

MR. McCLELLAN: We stay in contact with producing nations, and we'll
continue to do so to make sure that there are abundant and affordable
supplies of energy to address the growing global economy.

Q Well -- wait a minute, I'm not finished. Well, there is -- if there is an
increase from Nigeria, will it make a difference? It's just such a small
amount compared to Canada, Mexico and Saudi Arabia. Would it make a
difference if they were to --

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, you heard the President recently talk about this, and
talk about the importance of continuing -- he talked about it in the press
conference just last week, the importance of continuing to talk with
countries to make sure that they are expanding production, as they are able
to do so, to address these issues, and to help. And that's something we can
do now.

What we need to do for the long-term is make sure that we pass a
comprehensive energy plan. And that's why the President is working with
Congress and continuing to call on Congress to pass the energy plan that he
outlined four years ago. And we have an opportunity to get that done this
year. We appreciate the action by the House, who has already passed energy
legislation. And we hope the Senate will move forward quickly, too. Senator
Domenici is someone who has made a commitment to do so, and we appreciate
that.

Q And then on to Sudan, some of your critics are saying you just haven't
done anything. They want soldiers in there and some other things other than
humanitarian aid to help stop the situation in Darfur. What is the
President willing to do in the midst of these talks?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, they must not be following the situation very closely,
because the United States has been providing the leading role when it comes
to addressing the problems in Sudan. We have been strongly engaged in
efforts to end the suffering in Darfur, and to forge peace in southern
Sudan.

John Danforth was someone who worked very closely with the government of
Sudan and the opposition rebels to forge a north-south agreement. We
continue to urge the government of Sudan and the Sudan Peoples Liberation
Movement to move forward expeditiously to establish a unity government and
implement the comprehensive peace agreement. We also urge the government of
Sudan and the rebels in Darfur to resume their peace talks, as soon as
possible to end the crisis in Darfur. The violence must end in Darfur.
We've made some important progress in Sudan. But the violence must end in
Darfur. And both parties have an obligation to work to make that happen.
And we have been very supportive of the Africa Union mission. President
Obasanjo, as Chairman of the African Union, is working to expand that
mission and increase the number of peacekeepers who will be in the Darfur
region. And that's very important.

And in terms of humanitarian aid, we have provided more than 80 percent of
the food to Darfur this year. And we hope the rest of the donor nations
will follow through on their commitments that they have made, as well.

Q If you think the violence must end, why not send soldiers?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, the African Union is sending -- we support the efforts
of the African Union and want to do what we can to provide help, as they
work to expand --

Q Why not U.S. soldiers --

MR. McCLELLAN: -- as they work to expand -- we're working

--

Q -- if concerned?

MR. McCLELLAN: This is something that affects all those countries in
Africa, and we're working to support their efforts to expand their forces
there.

Q Scott, do you have an update on the explosions that occurred outside the
British Consulate earlier today in New York?

MR. McCLELLAN: No, I don't have an update from this podium. I think that
will come from authorities in New York and/or the FBI.

Q Is there any evidence of terrorism?

MR. McCLELLAN: Again, I don't have any update from this podium. I'll leave
it to the authorities to give you an update.

Q Has Bush spoken to Blair today?

MR. McCLELLAN: No.

Q Scott, Senator Lugar and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee have made
substantial document requests of certain executive branch agencies in
connection with the Bolton confirmation hearing. They have requested
documents from the State Department in connection with his speech on Syria,
and they have made document requests of the National Security Agency in
connection with his request for information from that agency. Has the White
House been in touch with either State or NSA about the response to those
requests?

MR. McCLELLAN: We're well aware of the State Department and how they have
been very responsive to the requests by the committee. I think that John
Bolton has been very responsive to the questions that members have raised,
both in oral testimony, as well as written testimony. And these are issues
that we believe have been addressed through the committee process. We look
forward to the committee coming back and moving forward on his nomination.
It's important that we get him in there so that he can get about doing the
important work of reform at the United Nations.

Q But my specific question was whether or not the White House has been in
touch with those agencies about satisfying those document requests.

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, we stay in touch with the State Department on this
matter. The State Department has been working to make sure that the
questions are responded to, and they've been very responsive to the
committee. There's a difference between responding to legitimate concerns
and just people trying to go down the road of a fishing expedition.

Q And one last question on the subject. One of the accusations that was
raised was from John Wolf, who is a former Assistant Secretary of State for
Nonproliferation, worked under Bolton at the State Department. And in his
interview with the committee, he said that Bolton's pursuit of disputes
with members of that bureau in the State Department, the Nonproliferation
Bureau, dragged on so long that sometimes Secretary Powell -- issues did
not get to Secretary Powell in a timely way. Was that something that you
saw happening in the first term, or is it something that Secretary Powell
complained about?

MR. McCLELLAN: I appreciate you trying to ask the hearing to be held here
from this podium, but I think that John Bolton has addressed these types of
questions through the hearing process and through written responses. John
Bolton is someone that has a tremendous amount of experience; he has been
confirmed by the Senate four times, including once by the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, which is now hearing -- or overseeing his confirmation
process for ambassador to the United Nations. He's someone who has had a
couple of decades of service to his country in the government. And he
brings a lot of passion and a lot of experience and sometimes a little
bluntness to the position. But we believe those are the type of qualities
that are needed to go about the important work of reforming the United
Nations. And that's why the President believes so strongly that he is the
right person at the right time to fill this important position.

Q But from where you sat, his actions in office over the last four years
you would say were not delaying issues getting up to Secretary Powell?

MR. McCLELLAN: I've never been known to see anything of that sort.

Q Scott, two questions. One, now comes the arrest of number three most
wanted terrorist by the Pakistanis. The question is that after the great
damage was done to the United States and we are still living under the fear
of terrorism, they're giving, or delivering to the U.S. one by one
terrorists -- they are still holding number one and number two. When are we
getting number one? That's the main question because the great danger is
still there and terrorism is still around the globe.

MR. McCLELLAN: The war on terrorism continues. We are engaged with some 90
countries around the world in the global war on terrorism. The President
often talks about how the tendency is, the further we get away from
September 11th, the easier it is to forget about what occurred. But we are
going to stay on the offense, stay on offense, going after those who seek
to do harm to America and the civilized world. We are going to continue
dismantling the al Qaeda network. We have made a lot of progress. It's not
the same organization that it once was.

We have brought to justice in one way or another some three-quarters of the
key leaders and associates of al Qaeda. Yesterday marked a significant
moment in the global war on terrorism. This was the individual who was a
senior leader of al Qaeda, al-Libbi. He replaced Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
And we applaud Pakistan for their capture of this terrorist. And we will
continue working closely with Pakistan and other countries around the world
to share intelligence and go after those who seek to do us harm. We'll also
continue working closely with countries to advance freedom, and we will
continue to go after those other terrorist leaders and bring them to
justice, as well.

Q Question on China -- I have. China and Taiwan. When China would -- issue
warning to Taiwan that, stop, otherwise we can -- another time, they said
that we're ready to talk. Where do we stand as far as China and Taiwan is
concerned? Because Taiwan is now asking whether they can trust China or
not?

MR. McCLELLAN: We continue to encourage dialogue between Taiwan and China
to promote peace and stability in the region. And the President and
President Hu talked about that in their conversation today. We appreciate
that President Hu met with some of the opposition leaders. We believe
dialogue is important. We believe ultimately that he needs -- that there
needs to be continued dialogue with the duly elected leaders in Taiwan, and
that means President Chen and his Cabinet. That's the best way to continue
to promote peace and stability in the cross-strait region.

Q Scott, as Congress is about to approve legislation prohibiting illegal
aliens from getting drivers' licenses, will the President sign such
legislation? That's my first.

MR. McCLELLAN: Are you talking about the Real ID Act?

Q Yes.

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, we've already expressed our support for that
legislation. And that is part of the supplemental that the House is moving
forward on today. And we appreciate the House moving, and working to pass
this important legislation. It's most important to get the supplemental
passed so that we can get much needed resources to our troops in Iraq and
Afghanistan, and resources to help train and equip the Iraqi and Afghan
security forces, which is critical to us completing our mission in those
two countries. But we put out a statement of administration policy recently
expressing our support for including those provisions in the supplemental
legislation.

Q The New York Times yesterday devoted more than half a page to a
California story headlined: Retirees Answer the Call to Hunt for
Terrorists, Patrolling in Planes, Trucks and Boats. And my question: Does
the President believe that any of these retirees are doing wrong, or are
"vigilantes"?

MR. McCLELLAN: No, I haven't heard him express that about those
individuals. If you're talking about people who have become part of the
citizen corps in helping in the global war on terrorism, we have expressed
our support for efforts to -- that all of us need to be involved in the
efforts to defeat terrorism and disrupt terrorist plots.

Q Thank you.

Q Scott, the Treasury Department is saying now that it may bring back the
30-year bond to help finance the government's operations. If the fiscal
situation is improving, as you have projected, why does the government need
to sell such longer term, expensive debt?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, first of all, the why you might want to ask after
they've considered it. All they've said they're doing is they're going to
give it consideration. In terms of why they're giving it consideration, the
Treasury Department spoke to that yesterday. And I think you should look
back at what they said because I think that answers your question.

Q But is the budget outlook improving, or is it getting worse?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, in terms of our fiscal situation, if that's what
you're asking about, you know we have an update called the mid-session
review when we'll give our next update on our fiscal situation. But we --
the President has put forward a deficit reduction plan. He is strongly
committed to making sure that we stay on track to meet the goal of cutting
the deficit in half by 2005. The budget resolution that was just passed by
Congress keeps us on track to cut the deficit in half by 2005.

We must continue to move forward in a way where we meet our highest
responsibilities, highest priorities and restrain spending elsewhere in the
budget. And the budget that Congress passed is one that we applaud. It is
one that does, for the first time since 1997, reduce the growth in
mandatory spending. And it is a budget that exercises tight spending
restraint on the discretionary side. And we applaud Congress for the steps
that they have taken. We look forward to continue working with them as they
go through the appropriations process which is underway now in a number of
subcommittees.

Let me go back here.

Q The Congress' decision yesterday of tight restriction on the money --
$200 million -- that the President authorized to the Palestinian Authority.
Some see it as even worse during the Arafat era. Do you see this an
undermining of the President's effort to support Abu Mazen and to build --

MR. McCLELLAN: No, and in fact, I've -- those who see it that way, I think,
have it wrong. This is very similar to the way it has been in the past. And
it does give waiver authority to the administration, so we have flexibility
there. We applaud Congress for including that $200 million in the
supplemental funding.

Q But $50 million of this money is going to go directly to Israel.
(Inaudible.) Some of the Palestinians say that basically reinforcing the
lines that the Israeli drew, in terms of the war. And obviously, affecting
the permanent stated solution when --

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, we've always stressed the importance of making sure
that the Palestinian people can move about freely and goods can move about
freely across those checkpoints and that it's done in that way. And that's
what we we'll continue to express as we move forward.

But, look, we'll be continuing to talk with the Palestinian Authority and
with the Quartet's envoy, Mr. Wolfensohn, who is working to look at how
they move forward to put the institutions in place for a viable state to
emerge as Prime Minister Sharon and Israel move forward on withdrawing from
Gaza. That's where the focus needs to remain. And we want to do, as well as
calling on other countries to do what they can to support the Palestinian
people and the Palestinian leaders as they move forward on putting those
institutions in place. And we appreciate that Congress has included this
funding.

Q But how this will support him if you're undermining him by not giving him
the money directly? Some of this money is needed for salaries, for example,
for this --

MR. McCLELLAN: First of all, we haven't made any decisions on distributing
any of this money at this point. But, like I said, this is very similar to
the way it has been structured in the past. And we believe that we have the
flexibility we need.

Q Scott, this morning in the East Room at the National Day of Prayer
Ceremony, there was a broad representation of religions. There did not seem
to be an obvious Muslim component, though. Was there some representation or
participation by Muslims --

MR. McCLELLAN: You know, I didn't check. I had to -- ended up watching it
on TV like some of the rest of you. But the Muslim chaplain of Georgetown
was supposed to be in attendance.

Go ahead, Connie.

Q Since Great Britain is our most important ally, how quickly after the
election results are in will the President speak to the winner?

MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry?

Q Will the President speak to Prime Minister Blair or whomever is elected?

MR. McCLELLAN: We'll keep you posted. I expect at some point he would place
a call.

Q Some time today then, or tonight?

MR. McCLELLAN: We will keep you posted.

Go ahead.

Q When President Putin was in Middle East, he didn't just call for an
international press conference which you thought was premature, he actually
pledged some military support to the Palestinian Authority security forces.
Is the President going to raise those issues with President Putin when he
meets him on Monday?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, keep in mind the reason why we're going to Russia is
to mark the end of World War II, and the defeat of the Nazis. And they will
have a meeting while they're there. It's not -- as Steve Hadley pointed out
yesterday, so much of a structured agenda as sometimes it is -- I think the
meeting probably won't be as long as it usually is either. But certainly,
we appreciate Russia's involvement in the Middle East. President Putin just
returned from there. They are a valued member of the Quartet. So I wouldn't
be surprised if that's one of the topics that they discuss.

Kate, go ahead.

Q On that subject, the Russians are pretty unhappy with the use of the word
"occupation" by the President in the letter that he wrote to the President
of Latvia. They say that -- they argue that their troops were introduced on
the basis of an agreement and consent by the authorities that were in those
countries at that time. So they're arguing with your language. I wonder
also if this casts a shadow over the meeting.

MR. McCLELLAN: No, I don't think so. Look, the President looks forward to
the trip. I think the purpose of the trip is really threefold, to celebrate
victory over the Nazis and the fascists, to mark the end of communism, and
to talk about the advance of freedom in Europe and in other parts of the
world. And so that's really the purpose of the trip.

The President looks forward to beginning the trip in Latvia, where he will
meet with the three Baltic Presidents. And he looks forward to that
meeting. Some of those -- you saw in the letter, the President talked about
the importance of renewing our common commitment to advancing freedom,
prosperity, and tolerance throughout Europe and the world. And that's one
of the messages that he will be taking on his trip when he leaves tomorrow
morning. And you saw in the letter, as well, where he talked about how we
must remember the past as we move forward together on our shared values.

Russia is someone who we have good relations with. We have a good strategic
relationship with Russia. We work very closely with Russia in a number of
areas, whether it's trade, economic issues, or our cooperation in the
global war on terrorism, and our cooperation on stopping the spread of
weapons of mass destruction. And we will -- the President looks forward to
meeting with President Putin. So, no, I wouldn't view it that way. But we
must remember the past as we move forward to advance freedom and democracy
and tolerance and prosperity.

Q So the President will continue to refer to it as occupation?

MR. McCLELLAN: I think you will hear more from the President when he is in
Latvia, and he will talk about that very painful history that the Baltic
states went through. That was a painful history for the Baltic states. The
end of World War II marked the liberation of many parts of Europe, but not
parts of Central and Eastern Europe. It marked the beginning of communism
and occupation, and it was a painful part of their history. And now those
countries are free and working to move forward on the democratic
institutions that sustain free societies.

And one of the things the President is going to be focusing on in some of
his remarks will be expanding on his inaugural address and talking about
the importance of advancing freedom and democracy, and how freedom is about
more than just elections. Freedom is about rule of law and protection of
minorities and minority rights. It's about an open and inclusive society
that is based on tolerance. And it's about building the structures for
freedom to really be sustained. And that's one of the things the President
will focus on in his remarks.

Q Scott, back on oil for a second. Has the President revised his desired
price point for a barrel of oil? A couple of years ago it was $23 to $28;
the Saudis say that's now unrealistic. Has he revised that --

MR. McCLELLAN: I think that's what the Saudis referred to a couple of years
ago, and after some conversations with --

Q Has the President altered it?

MR. McCLELLAN: -- with the administration. And what we want is to continue
to see oil prices come down, and gas prices come down, so that they're more
affordable for the American people. And that's important to sustaining
economic growth. We have a strong, growing economy. We just saw the latest
unemployment insurance numbers come out today, and they continue to point
to strong, sustained growth. But the President is concerned about high
energy prices and high gas prices, in particular. That's having an effect
on families; it's having an effect on small businesses. And that's why he's
continuing to urge Congress to get his energy plan passed. And that's why
he's continuing to work through his administration to encourage producing
countries to expand their production as they can, and to make sure that
consumers are protected here at home.

Q Does he agree, though, that a price point of $28 as a max per barrel of
oil is unrealistic, given today's market?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, you know where the price of oil is right now; it's
come down some. And the President wants to see it come down and be more
affordable for the American people. The government isn't the one who sets
the prices, as you're well-aware, John --

Q But he has talked about a desired price point.

MR. McCLELLAN: -- and he would like to see it more affordable. I haven't
heard him discuss it recently.

Q What is the definition of "more affordable," please?

Q Scott, is the President going to meet --

Q What should -- yes, what should I pay a gallon?

Q What should April pay per gallon?

Q What is the definition of "more affordable"?

MR. McCLELLAN: April, I think you've asked this question; it's been
answered --

Q I sure have, and the horse is not dead. What is the definition --

MR. McCLELLAN: I hope you have a good weekend, while we're off in Russia.
We've been through this question. I told you that the government isn't the
one who sets the prices.

Q Well, what about a -- how much should a barrel of oil--

Q Scott --

Q Wait a minute -- how much should a barrel of oil cost then?

MR. McCLELLAN: Does anyone want to keep this going?

Q Yes. Come on. Yes, seriously.

Q No, no.

Q I'm one party; I have democracy, freedom here. Come on. (Laughter.)
Minority rights.

MR. McCLELLAN: We need to make sure there are affordable and abundant
supplies of energy. And the price of oil, the President believes, is too
high. It needs to come down. And that's the message he's sent to producing
countries around the world. That's the message he's sent to members of
Congress, that we're dependent on foreign sources of energy. We need to
address the root causes of why we are in this situation. That's why the
President is continuing to move forward on a comprehensive energy strategy
and get Congress to get it passed.

And in the meantime, we're going to continue doing what we can to make it
more affordable.

Thank you.
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