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Skriven 2004-12-14 08:42:23 av Gerald Miller (1:342/512)
   Kommentar till text 1061 av Mark Lewis (1:3634/12.0)
Ärende: EMM386
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Hello Mark,

    Responding to a post in the WIN95 area:
    On Monday December 13 2004 at 14:17,
    Mark Lewis [1:3634/12] wrote to Gerald Miller,
    about: EMM386

 GM>>> If this line is not added to Config.sys (and reboot the system),
 GM>>> then any of the supplemental disk programs that you might run
 GM>>> will probably issue a "Incorrect DOS version" error message.
 GM>>> Setver will make allowances and fool Command.com into "thinking"
 GM>>> these programs are okay to run and you won't see the error
 GM>>> message.
 DC>> I've been using SETVER a lot, lately!
 GM>> A fact of using Winnie, I guess.
 ML> i can't say that... this system was installed 4 years ago (almost to
 ML> the day) and as far as i can tell, setver hasn't been run on it at
 ML> all...

I imagine that once I get W98SE "optimally tuned" (as if that is ever
possible), I can probably REM out the Setver 'cause I'll likely not be
using the OldDOS commands. ??

 ML> [trim]

[and trim]

 GM>> I had to go into Config.sys and REM out the 4DOS shell
 GM>> statement that the 4DOS installation put in.  I found that when
 GM>> I formatted a system diskette with 4DOS as the command
 GM>> processor, 4DOS.COM was being copied onto the diskette as
 GM>> Command.com and of course the diskette wouldn't boot -- that
 GM>> was one of many things I found to be inconsistent with 4DOS.
 ML> that's not an inconsistency with 4DOS... is it actually WAD (Working
 ML> As Designed) from MS... it is the job of FORMAT and SYS to put the
 ML> command interpreter on the disk when you tell it to put the system
 ML> files on it... since you told the machine that 4DOS was your command
 ML> interpreter, it used that as it didn't know about anything else... the
 ML> reason it wouldn't boot was because 4DOS.EXE was not renamed to
 ML> COMMAND.COM which the boot files look for and there was no CONFIG.SYS
 ML> file with a SHELL= statement to tell the system anything any
 ML> different...

I had to create a 4MAT.BTM file to delete the 4DOS.COM (and the Drvspace or
Dblspace BIN files) command processor and copy the COMMAND.COM to the
floppy.

WAD?  I can think of a more appropriate name for it, but not for public
display!  <grin>

 GM>> When I try the 4DOS shell box on the W98SE system, I get four
 GM>> error messages all relating to the lack of Upper memory blocks
 GM>> and everything is loaded into Low memory -- BAH!!!  I can
 GM>> probably live without 4DOS on the W98SE box (or until I can
 GM>> find a way to map some of the extended memory)...
 ML> upper memory or high memory?

I believe it was upper memory, but that is now resolved with the addition
of "LocalLoadHigh=1" in the System.ini file...

 GM>> When I first tried installing Windows for Workgroup v3.11 on my
 GM>> DOS box, I was running 4DOS as the command processor.  I could
 GM>> not get WfW to install, no matter what I did.  I finally copied
 GM>> an old Autoexec.bat and matching Config.sys that had
 GM>> Command.com as the command processor shell and the WfW
 GM>> installation went as it should.  I can't remember the
 GM>> installation error message (at the time), but I felt it was
 GM>> rather cryptic in details and cursed the Microsoft install.
 ML> that was due to MS' messing around and playing proprietary games
 ML> trying to keep everyone rounded up in their ballpark... it is just
 ML> more evidence of their monopolistic practises and additional proof
 ML> that they started that stuff a lot further back than people want to
 ML> admit to...

With MS taking that stance, I'm not surprised that people are adamant about
hacking MS' programs.  I can't say that I aggree with MS (or the hackers)
and I'm continually searching for replacements of the MS 'suites'; and
(before you jump on me), OS/2 is not the answer, either...

           Cheers ... Gerald

... It is impossible to enjoy idling unless there is plenty of work to do.
--- GoldED+/DPMI32 v1.1.5-040330 [msg of Tuesday December 14 2004]
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