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Skriven 2006-10-15 17:56:00 av ROBERT FOWLER (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av CHARLES ANGELICH
Ärende: Re: Vista anti-piracy
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-=> CHARLES ANGELICH wrote to ROBERT FOWLER <=-

 AZ>>> In general, I would agree-- most users could everything
 AZ>>> the need to do on a Pentium II-era system running
 AZ>>> Win98SE-- I would argue about older systems since most
 AZ>>> users want to connect USB devices such as newer printers
 AZ>>> or digital cameras, which most often won't work with
 AZ>>> these older OS versions.

 RF>> That's true, and perhaps even more limiting are their
 RF>> capabilities for using broadband and wireless networking.

 CA>> Not true.

 RF> :-)

 RF>> Getting ISP software that supports even Win98 can now be a
 RF>> problem.

 CA>> No, not really. WFWG (W3.11) is known to be a very
 CA>> reliable and stable networking OS.

 RF> WFWG was designed for the LAN. It required an add-on (MS
 RF> TCP/IP) to provide DHCP support. Of course, that was before
 RF> the era of broadband and its protocols, such as PPPoE. A
 RF> router that understands PPPoE would allow WFWG to use DHCP,
 RF> but a direct connection to the cable/dsl modem would be
 RF> problematic. My ISP (AT&T) provides a separate software
 RF> "adapter" (Enternet 300) for this.

 CA> By your own admission WFWG is doable on broadband, not "even
 CA> more limiting are their capabilities".

 Yes, "Even more limiting" is the proper English to contrast the
 usability with respect to BOTH broadband and wireless of these OSes
 with that of current OSes.  I never said impossible, but there are
 reasonable limits to practicality for those who wish to do more than
 engage in discussion.

 RF>> Wireless support for pre-Win98 is also quite minimal.

 CA> "Minimal" is not "non-existent". You have a dislike for legacy
 CA> Windows OS or something?

 No, it's just that I have enough hands on experience with wireless to
 know the facts.  One is that hardware for Win95, for example, is
 likely limited to E-bay or the internet.  Second, is that there were
 proprietary issues with early wireless, so a Belkin cardbus that supports
 Win95, for example, might not work with a Dlink, Netgear, Linksys,
 etc., router.  If you're buying from E-bay, testing is not an option.
 I consider that "minimal".

 CA>> Wireless is not a requirement in the REAL world anymore
 CA>> than a 52" TV screen is required. If hardware cannot
 CA>> support W9x for wireless connections then it is defective
 CA>> hardware.

 No, it is current hardware. :-)  Obsolescence moreover, is inevitable.

 RF> Do you live in the real world? :-) Visit one of your local
 RF> retailers when you get out sometime, and you'll find that
 RF> their inventory is heavily wireless.

 CA> I won't enumerate what I "see" that is absurb but any adult
 CA> realizes that what a retailer puts out for display has little
 CA> to no correlation to what is 'best' or even 'good'.

 No, it correlates only to what the market demand is.

 RF> I would venture that wireless sales exceed wired on the
 RF> order of 50 to 1.

 CA> Now you're "venturing" to create statistics from your colorful
 CA> imagination. I know quite a few here and elsewhere that are
 CA> very paranoid about wireless and wouldn't install it until the
 CA> last hard-wired components were long since disintegrated by the
 CA> ravages of time.

 That's their choice, as is to run Win3.1 or TRS-DOS, whatever.
 Expecting modern technology to be backward compatible with it
 though, is ludicrous, and bridging that gap is typically a formidable
 challenge.


 RF>> If a broadband network is already setup, getting Win95/98
 RF>> to utilize it via a wired connection should be possible,
 RF>> but don't include Win3.1 in that group, since it doesn't
 RF>> support DHCP.

 CA>> Wrong again:

 CA>> http://www.dhcp-handbook.com/dhcp_faq.html

 CA>> Novell: Client32 for DOS/Windows 3.1 (beta) will use
 CA>> either DHCP  or BOOTP to get IP parameters.

 CA>> Novell: NetWare/IP for DOS, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, and
 CA>> Windows NT uses DHCP to obtain IP parameters.

 RF> You need to find a more current handbook. :-) Yes Charles,
 RF> there *were* expensive third party solutions eons ago. They
 RF> were not for broadband, though. Since all of the major OSes
 RF> have had native DHCP support for over a decade, I think
 RF> it's fairly safe to assume that there is *no* longer any
 RF> market for these products. :-) If you did manage to get
 RF> your hands on one, it would suffer the same limitations
 RF> with respect to broadband protocols, that the MS TCP/IP for
 RF> WFWG suffers.

 CA> You really don't know any of this to be a fact you are again
 CA> using your colorful imagination to presuppose what you cannot
 CA> prove.

 Hey, I have no need to prove anything.  I have a working network
 and no desire to run WFWG, WIN3.1 or Win9X.  Linux is a far more
 worthwhile project here.

 Regards,

 Robert Fowler



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