Text 22609, 165 rader
Skriven 2006-10-16 01:12:00 av CHARLES ANGELICH (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ROBERT FOWLER
Ärende: Re: Vista anti-piracy
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Hello Robert - 

AZ>>>> In general, I would agree-- most users could everything
AZ>>>> the need to do on a Pentium II-era system running
AZ>>>> Win98SE-- I would argue about older systems since most
AZ>>>> users want to connect USB devices such as newer printers
AZ>>>> or digital cameras, which most often won't work with
AZ>>>> these older OS versions. 

RF>>> That's true, and perhaps even more limiting are their
RF>>> capabilities for using broadband and wireless networking. 

CA>>> Not true. 

RF> > :-) 

RF>>> Getting ISP software that supports even Win98 can now be
RF>>> a problem. 

CA>>> No, not really. WFWG (W3.11) is known to be a very
CA>>> reliable and stable networking OS. 

RF>> WFWG was designed for the LAN. It required an add-on (MS
RF>> TCP/IP) to provide DHCP support. Of course, that was
RF>> before the era of broadband and its protocols, such as
RF>> PPPoE. A router that understands PPPoE would allow WFWG to
RF>> use DHCP, but a direct connection to the cable/dsl modem
RF>> would be problematic. My ISP (AT&T) provides a separate
RF>> software "adapter" (Enternet 300) for this. 

CA>> By your own admission WFWG is doable on broadband, not
CA>> "even more limiting are their capabilities". 

RF> Yes, "Even more limiting" is the proper English to contrast
RF> the usability with respect to BOTH broadband and wireless
RF> of these OSes with that of current OSes. I never said
RF> impossible, but there are reasonable limits to practicality
RF> for those who wish to do more than engage in discussion. 

"reasonable limits to practicality"? Could you possibly be more
vague when trying to put your spin on this? 

RF>>> Wireless support for pre-Win98 is also quite minimal. 

CA>> "Minimal" is not "non-existent". You have a dislike for
CA>> legacy Windows OS or something? 

RF> No, it's just that I have enough hands on experience with
RF> wireless to know the facts. One is that hardware for Win95,
RF> for example, is likely limited to E-bay or the internet.
RF> Second, is that there were proprietary issues with early
RF> wireless, so a Belkin cardbus that supports Win95, for
RF> example, might not work with a Dlink, Netgear, Linksys,
RF> etc., router. If you're buying from E-bay, testing is not
RF> an option. I consider that "minimal". 

And I consider your reply in a message to GF to demonstrate
how rambling your imagination can be.

Your response: "Compbus.us has a Netgear 802.11b cardbus that supports Win95
for
$50."

Now you can try to spin that into something absurd. :-)

CA>>> Wireless is not a requirement in the REAL world anymore
CA>>> than a 52" TV screen is required. If hardware cannot
CA>>> support W9x for wireless connections then it is defective
CA>>> hardware. 

RF> No, it is current hardware. :-) Obsolescence moreover, is
RF> inevitable. 

Death is inevitable all others are negotiable. 

RF>> Do you live in the real world? :-) Visit one of your local
RF>> retailers when you get out sometime, and you'll find that
RF>> their inventory is heavily wireless. 

CA>> I won't enumerate what I "see" that is absurb but any
CA>> adult realizes that what a retailer puts out for display
CA>> has little to no correlation to what is 'best' or even
CA>> 'good'. 

RF> No, it correlates only to what the market demand is. 

No, it correlates to what the retailer can get at a low price to
sell at a high price nothing more.  If your 'expertise' is
supplied by retailers you are what we commonly refer to as a 'sucker'.


RF>> I would venture that wireless sales exceed wired on the
RF>> order of 50 to 1. 

CA>> Now you're "venturing" to create statistics from your
CA>> colorful imagination. I know quite a few here and
CA>> elsewhere that are very paranoid about wireless and
CA>> wouldn't install it until the last hard-wired components
CA>> were long since disintegrated by the ravages of time. 

RF> That's their choice, as is to run Win3.1 or TRS-DOS,
RF> whatever. Expecting modern technology to be backward
RF> compatible with it though, is ludicrous, and bridging that
RF> gap is typically a formidable challenge. 

A "challenge" I have accepted many times and will continue to
accept as the spirit moves me. I'm not a defeatist as you are. 

RF>>> If a broadband network is already setup, getting Win95/98
RF>>> to utilize it via a wired connection should be possible,
RF>>> but don't include Win3.1 in that group, since it doesn't
RF>>> support DHCP. 

CA>>> Wrong again: 

CA>>> http://www.dhcp-handbook.com/dhcp_faq.html 

CA>>> Novell: Client32 for DOS/Windows 3.1 (beta) will use
CA>>> either DHCP or BOOTP to get IP parameters. 

CA>>> Novell: NetWare/IP for DOS, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, and
CA>>> Windows NT uses DHCP to obtain IP parameters. 

RF>> You need to find a more current handbook. :-) Yes Charles,
RF>> there *were* expensive third party solutions eons ago.
RF>> They were not for broadband, though. Since all of the
RF>> major OSes have had native DHCP support for over a decade,
RF>> I think it's fairly safe to assume that there is *no*
RF>> longer any market for these products. :-) If you did
RF>> manage to get your hands on one, it would suffer the same
RF>> limitations with respect to broadband protocols, that the
RF>> MS TCP/IP for WFWG suffers. 

Poeple are putting DOS onto broadband and you persist with this
nay saying of yours. 

CA>> You really don't know any of this to be a fact you are
CA>> again using your colorful imagination to presuppose what
CA>> you cannot prove. 

RF> Hey, I have no need to prove anything. I have a working
RF> network and no desire to run WFWG, WIN3.1 or Win9X. 

As I've said before, who setup the network for you? 

RF> Linux is a far more worthwhile project here. 

I wish you luck. Linux is interesting at times but I don't take
it too seriously just yet. 

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