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Skriven 2005-02-04 22:47:00 av CHARLES ANGELICH (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av GERALD MILLER
Ärende: IEXPLORER problem
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Hello Gerald - 

GM> [snip] 

GM>>>>> I had a chance to "grab" v4.08 of W31 Netscape from
GM>>>>> your FTP server link in Poland. Then I read: "Otherwise
GM>>>>> pass on this space and resource hogging klunker." 

CA>>>> The full description is: 

CA>>>> ============ 

CA>> I am using v4.08 of W31 Netscape (last 16 bit W31
CA>> Navigator version) now that I have enough memory (16 meg)
CA>> because I needed the updated javascripting. I need the
CA>> javascripting to access all of the functions of my web
CA>> based email accounts (hotmail being g one of them). W31
CA>> Netscape v4.x is slower than W31 Opera with less control
CA>> and ease of use. In short it's a klunker of a browser but
CA>> does more javascripting than early 16 bit W31 Opera can
CA>> do. You will find 16 bit W31 Netscape v4.08 at the FTP
CA>> server r in Poland. If you have 16meg or more of memory
CA>> and need the javascripting this is your best first choice
CA>> (Internet Explorer v5.0 being the other option but a much
CA>> larger install). Otherwise pass on this space and resource
CA>> hogging klunker. 

CA>>>> ============ 

GM>>> Yes, I read the entire section, but only quoted the
GM>>> relevant portion. I was thinking it was more important to
GM>>> conserve bandwidth. 

CA>> No, it's not that important. That quote from my webpage
CA>> when taken out of context would seem to have a meaning
CA>> never intended when I wrote it. :-) 

GM> Maybe it should be rewritten for clarity? Internet Explorer
GM> v5.0 being the space and resource hogging klunker? 

No, it is quite clear that Netscape v4.08 is a space hog and a
klunker when compared to Opera even though it has a higher
level (newer) version of javascripting. 

GM> I have 128MB of RAM in this box and Wfw311 doesn't see most
GM> of it. 

I'm not sure what the maximum memory WFWG can use is but it is
first a DOS limitation and _then_ possibly a WFWG limitation.
Probably either 32meg or 64meg but I'm not sure at the moment. 

GM>>>>> I think I'll stick with Opera, for now. 

CA>>>> I think you overlooked the reference to javascripting
CA>>>> requirements but yes, Opera v3.62 is faster and
CA>>>> sufficient for most purposes. 

GM>>> I don't anticipate a need for javascripting. Just want a
GM>>> lean web browser and if a site is trying to be "fancy",
GM>>> then I move on to some place that offers something more
GM>>> universal. 

CA>> Hotmail and other Microsoft webpages may not display
CA>> properly without a 'newer' level of javascripting. 

GM> It was never my intention to use the Wfw311 system for any
GM> type of mail services, and if I _really_ require a 'newer'
GM> level of javascripting in the future, I know who to ask.
GM> ;-)) 

Hotmail is just one example. Many MSN.com websites will not
function including the Microsoft knowledgebase webpages. Not
all of them just some of them. 

GM> --8<--cut 

CA>> WFWG ranks near the top for 16 bit OS from those that I
CA>> have had the opportunity to test. It is _complete_ where
CA>> others are 'beta' and were never finished. 

GM> Yes, I think I may have encountered some of the betas in my
GM> attempts to network the DOS box... You have to imagine the
GM> warm fuzzy feeling I experienced when I was finally able to
GM> ping the XPP box. 

Yes, I remember how it felt to finally get DOS to do TCP/IP
many years ago. 

GM>>> You have a website and you obviously have a browser (or
GM>>> two) and you indicate that you have more than one
GM>>> computer.... 

CA>> I have five computers. This W2K has Opera, Mozilla (full),
CA>> FireFox, IEx v6, and LINKS browsers. I have LYNX, Arachne,
CA>> Minuet, NetTamer, and other DOS browsers on my other
CA>> computers. 

GM> Sure glad I don't have to pay your power bill! I only have
GM> three computers online -- the other four aren't worth the
GM> effort to haul to the recycling depot. 

I haven't tranferred all of my software to newer media and am
holding on to legacy systems to make that tranfer as painless
as possible. :-) 

GM>>> It took me considerable time to get my head around
GM>>> Network Interface Cards and configuring them correctly,
GM>>> and while I do not profess to be a network guru, 

CA>> Other software such as NetManager and Total-Commander
CA>> simulate network connections without all the
CA>> gobble-d'gook. Networking should have been standardized
CA>> and simplified - it never has been. 

GM> The standardization process is an ongoing project. I
GM> Googled "Request For Comments" and found 27,100,000
GM> possibilities -- the "RFCs" are the bases of the Internet
GM> and the many protocols in use today. One of the prime sites
GM> would be: 

GM> http://www.rfc-editor.org/ 

Yes, everyone wants his/her favorite protocol to be used and
named after them (naturally). It's an ego trip not an attempt
to improve anything. 

GM>>> I would never go back to using null modem cables and
GM>>> such. Virtually every version of Windows (okay, you have
GM>>> to add the TCP software for Wfw3.11) has the TCP/IP stack
GM>>> and it is all seamless in its operation. 

CA>> I use a null-parallel for Total Commander but I do
CA>> understand your point. I never collected many large files
CA>> and only became interested in music files when I
CA>> discovered I could modify existing MIDI to suit my tastes.
CA>> I am not a collector of other people's music which means I
CA>> have minimal requirements for file-sharing between
CA>> computers. 

GM> I needed to copy "most" of my DOS files to one of my
GM> Windoooz boxes in order to perform a backup -- can't get
GM> tapes for my Colorado Memory System tape drive anymore. 

I have some of those QIC tapes and the tape drive stored
somewhere. I got sick of all the errors and the noise. I hate
that sound. 

GM> DOS box doesn't have a CD burner (although it does have a
GM> couple of USB ports that I've never used because I'm
GM> unaware of any drivers that would work in the DOS/Wfw311
GM> environment), and once a month, I perform a DOS backup to
GM> one of my Windoooz boxes to burn a couple of rewritable CDs. 

There are DOS USB drivers linked at my website but I have not
tried them because I have nothing that uses USB ports. 

GM> I wanted to have a better understanding of networking and
GM> the different protocols involved, so I read "TCP/IP for
GM> Dummies" (5th Edition) written by Candace Leiden and
GM> Marshall Wilensky -- Wiley Publishing, Inc., ISBN:
GM> 0-7645-1760-0. 

GM> It was a very informative, "lighthearted" read that cut
GM> through all the gobble-d'gook and I would recommend the
GM> book to anyone with an interest in the Internet, networking
GM> or the various protocols. The book also included a CD-ROM
GM> disk with lots of freeware / shareware tools and utilities. 

Each year I think of a new reason not to care about networking.
I'm not convinced I really need it here for anything that would
justify the effort. 

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