Text 33186, 70 rader
Skriven 2007-06-06 22:25:14 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
  Kommentar till text 33184 av Sean Dennis (1:18/200.0)
Ärende: Vista anti-piracy
=========================
Hello Sean!

06 Jun 07 21:05, you wrote to me:

 RC>> TAME was meant to get DOS apps to play nicely under lets say
 RC>> DESQVIEW, but when you use MSVPC or VMWARE, you are creating a
 RC>> pseudo-computer inside your host system, where all hardware is
 RC>> emulated and of course you are setting aside some of your host
 RC>> memory for the virtual environment.

 SD> Did you even look at the page?  He has a very nice version for Windows
 SD> that will tame any DOS application run in Windows, period.  And yes, I
 SD> know all about sucking CPU cycles.  W2K does that when I first fire it
 SD> up under Virtual PC for OS/2, pretty badly as a matter of fact, but it
 SD> calms down later and runs nicely.


Sean I know what TAME does, I didnt have to look at the page. I also had a
registered copy from when I was a desqview and os/2 weenie.

TAME forces DOS apps to release cpu cycles.

/what I was talking about/ was the cpu cycles being sucked up by the virtual
machine when I had DOS booted up within it, sitting there doing nothing but a
blinking cursor at the C prompt..

 RC>> DOS is not a OS that multi-tasks natively, this is why it sucks
 RC>> cpu cycles inside a virtual machine.

 SD> But you can get versions of DOS that will multi-task though if you
 SD> look hard enough.

Nope..

You had versions of DOS that you loaded a environment into that allowed you to
multi-task DOS apps. I think DR-DOS which I believe Novell acquired came with
this ability (a later version just prior to Novell acquisition), else you could
have gotten Windows up to v3.11 or Desqview. All booted DOS then the
environment loads.

DOS is a 16bit OS (early version only 8 bit).

Windows Versions 95 thru ME, used DOS as a loader and for underlying CLI, but
immediately setup a 32bit environment.

 SD>   Nearly everything will suck up CPU cycles in a
 SD> virtual machine, even Linux (I've seen it go from 0.1 to 9.1 in a
 SD> hurry).

Its what you are running that makes the difference, DOS is demanding more from
the VM than a Os that multi-tasks natively.

 RC>> I can and have thrown up linux distro's inside of one and cpu
 RC>> cycles werent sucked up, but then again, linux multi-tasks
 RC>> natively.

 SD> Yep.  Depends on what you're doing, of course.

Of course Sean, but when I had a VM sitting there with DOS at a blinking cursor
at the C prompt sucking cpu cycles (freedos) thats my proof of what I am
saying, compared to me running linux in a VM (ubuntu) and I was compiling an
app and it wasnt sucking the cpu on the host, c'mon now.

==
Ross
Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader: http://www.easternstar.info
E-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Blogs/Other Places: http://links.cassell.us
... In fond memory of Ann and Ray Emery, I'll miss you Ann!
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.5-30413
 * Origin: The Eastern Star - Spartanburg, SC USA (1:123/456)