Text 5386, 96 rader
Skriven 2005-03-19 15:18:29 av Gerald Miller (1:342/512)
   Kommentar till text 5261 av CHARLES ANGELICH (1:123/140)
Ärende: lan
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Hello CHARLES,

    Responding to a post in the WIN95 area:
    On Friday March 18 2005 at 12:41,
    CHARLES ANGELICH [1:123/140] wrote to GERALD MILLER,
    about: lan

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 GM>> I feel guilty at chiding Charles for not getting with the game.

 CA> No need to berate yourself. My attempts to network my brother's
 CA> machines was quite some time ago (earlier this year) and in no way
 CA> related to any conversations here on FIDO.

Your brother's machines are now networked or the attempt was not
successful?

 GM>> ;-) Only certain aspects are easy, the rest is "ball breaking" work!

 CA> I am encouraged by so many others here and their willingness to admit
 CA> that networking/P2P Windows computers has not always worked
 CA> as-advertised and can be extremely frustrating. It's a start. Once we
 CA> admit that tutorials and docs available aren't entirely forthcoming
 CA> about every step necessary we may be able to compile a _proper_ set of
 CA> instructions for each version of Windows that results in the total
 CA> networking capabilities we have all been lead to believe exists within
 CA> the Windows OS. :-)

Would this P2P be PPTP (Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol)?  Quoting from
my TCP/IP for Dummies reference:

A VPN (virtual private network) is a restricted communications environment
carried on the (very public) Internet.  A VPN is secure because it runs
through a private tunnel on the Internet.  That tunnel uses a TCP/IP
protocol, PPTP (Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol).

Quote off.  While PPTP is part of the network suite within TCP/IP, it is
one of the more complex (I've found) parts.  My (amateur status) suggestion
would be to get the very basics of peer-to-peer networking established
_before_ making an attempt at PPTP or VPN.

 BR>>> Well, I had difficulty mostly due to my own ignorance ... had I
 BR>>> researched the subject beforehand, I would have found plenty of
 BR>>> information, all very neatly organized with exactly what I needed,
 BR>>> including screen shots <shrug>. I still have to set up ICS to share
 BR>>> the modem plus DOS networking on another machine, as well as Linux &
 BR>>> Samba, so I checked out the references given and saved the web pages
 BR>>> complete with screenshots for perusal under DOS as needed. [:^)

 GM>> Very neatly organized? Screen shots? DOS networking? E-mail will be
 GM>> forthcoming! <vBg>

 CA> If Ben has knowledge as to the whereabouts of such detailed
 CA> information it would benefit many users here if he listed those
 CA> locations within a message posted here on FIDO?

I would agree with that request also.  Google can provide much good
information (at "most" times), but it can give enough information to choke
a horse -- information overload.

 BR>>> But no, it's not "easy" or "simple" unless you get lucky.
 BR>>> <chuckle>

 GM>> I will attest that I had more blind luck than education in
 GM>> my attempts at networking. ;-))

 CA> Had I been 'lucky' I may have been unaware that the available
 CA> information is incomplete and often contradicts other information. My
 CA> misfortune may have positive results if we can compile better
 CA> tutorials.

Due to my recent catastrophe, I may be able to start a description for
W2k....

 GM>> Also, WinXPP and Win2K are NT based systems, are they not? Is anyone
 GM>> aware of compatibility issues between these two systems? (I suspect
 GM>> that they would be more harmonious than most other systems, but I'm
 GM>> seeking answers)

 CA> In theory, any machine using TCP/IP to network should function with
 CA> any other machine using TCP/IP. A Linux machine should be able to
 CA> network with a Windows machine (any flavor). The differences in
 CA> filename max length and allowed characters might be a speed bump
 CA> though?

Maybe I misunderstood what I read in the Dummies book, but that's the exact
purpose of TCP/IP, be a "translator" between the various OSes (*NIX
included) so that the 'bumps' would be negotiated -- translation is
provided during transfer.  Nothing is ever perfect, though.

           Cheers ... Gerald

... Last Tuesday's meeting of the Apathy Society has just been cancelled.
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