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Skriven 2009-08-04 19:44:02 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
  Kommentar till text 56236 av August Abolins (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Some Interesting WIN95 Ec
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Hello August!

04 Aug 09 19:36, you wrote to me:

 RC>> That is a correlation on what was placed in the ctrl line
 RC>> Turqstat was looking at. As we both noted, using the tearline
 RC>> would also lead to inaccurate results.

 AA> Ahh..  but using the tearlines is much less inaccurate.  ;)

Still not good enough, you still run/ran the risk of reporting as a program
name a blank or customized string, the only requirement is a tearline and I
have seen some software over the years not even implementing tear lines.. Once
upon a time D'Bridge (affectionately called D'Broke) was a example.

 RC>> You of course realize that there are/were two kinds of Fidonet
 RC>> Software authors, those that strictly adhered to FTSC standards
 RC>> and those whom followed the beat of their own drum.. :)

 AA> Echomail/editor program support started to die pretty quick after
 AA> 1996. The PID was introduced in 1994, I think.  I'm not surprised to
 AA> see the lack of usage of the ftsc standard and the missing PID crtl
 AA> line id amongst genuine echomail programs.  I'm not familiar which
 AA> programs qualify in the "beat of their own drum" category.  If I
 AA> remember correctly, PID was completely optional anyway.

Which doesnt detract from the fact that Turqstat was using it to report this
info. Nor should the fact that jamnntpd is putting its own info there as a
user-agent be forgotten.

If you are a c programmer, the source for jamnntpd is out there if you want it
to use the users reader data in place of its own.. ;) I have it here if you
want it and would be happy to test your creation. I havent seen or heard from
Johan Billing, its author, in a while.

 AA> A quick look at FTSC-0046 says that the PID was intended to replace
 AA> the use of Origin lines in echomail messages.  But as you know, we all
 AA> love Origin lines!

 AA> The other intent behind the PID (limited to 10 characters) was "to
 AA> minimize the excessive amount of information some programs put on the
 AA> tear lines which increases overall transportation cost and time of
 AA> conference mail."

 AA> We all know that "transportation cost" is nolonger relevant now as it
 AA> may have been in 1994.  Hence, I'm not surprised that the PID didn't
 AA> catch on.

But this would confirm that turqstats author adhered to that FTS
standard/proposal in coding it to look there. All the more reason to omit the
top program stat given the inconsistencies discovered.

Truth be known, back in June I was hunting down another issue dealing with
messages from Docs place regarding false dupes (you might recall my messages on
this), I was hunting for the most recent source code for my tosser setup,
thinking that perhaps the issue was more mine than Docs. I stumbled upon
Turqstat in the Ubuntu repository and decided to give it a whirl.

There is actually several Fido packages in the repository, binkd, crashmail and
library or 2 for the Husky packages.

Binkd is the mailer most of us use to transfer the mail over the internet, but
your estimation of how mail is moved is flawed, there are several systems in
North America that have no choice but to rely on POTS, lets not forget Europe,
especially its eastern sections. The only thing that can be said is that enough
systems are internet capable to the extent to have allowed many of us, myself
included, to have abandoned POTS modems.

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