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Skriven 2005-03-25 14:58:00 av CHARLES ANGELICH (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av MARK LEWIS
Ärende: lan
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Hello Mark - 

ML>>> in many cases, not... geez, i guess i should try to find
ML>>> time to sit down and write something about all this stuff 

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CA>> The only magic required is to consider the topic from
CA>> ground zero with NO working networked computer to
CA>> auto-configure all the others to. 

ML> true... one should start from ground zero... 

Based on the comments by Alan Z. it seems that some utility to
ID the NIC and a check at the manufacturer's website for newer
drivers would be a good idea _before_ trying to setup
networking. :-) 

ML>>> oh well... maybe it'll be more content for my website...
ML>>> now to decide if i should put it in a page or in one of
ML>>> the forums? 

CA>> Please don't put it into a forum. They are difficult to
CA>> search through for information and some nutcase will
CA>> interject erroneous opinionated information along the way. 

ML> that depends on the forum's settings ;) i'd be doing this
ML> in a forum that is set for moderator posting level...
ML> questions and answers would be done in another forum...
ML> that or create the tutorial and then lock it so that others
ML> couldn't write in it... that way the tutorial and the Q&A
ML> could all be done in the one forum... 

For me information in a forum is not really worth much. I only
search through a forum if Google offers no other sources of
that same information. 

CA>> A set of webpages including screenshots of menus would be
CA>> best IMO. A 'before' set of menus as found in a fresh
CA>> install and then 'after' as they should look when
CA>> configured would be nice. 

ML> hummm... 

I know, sounds like too much trouble but they can be low
quality JPGs and "a picture is worth a thousand words" ya' know? 

CA>> I suspect my brother has tried configuring his machines
CA>> and what I'm seeing there in his menus is not the default
CA>> that was there when the software was installed originally. 

ML> possibly... 

CA>> I personally would prefer some explanation as to why
CA>> certain information is preferable and why NetBEUI improves
CA>> Windows networking and why certain numbers are used as the
CA>> 'netmask' etc. Just plugging in information without
CA>> knowing why means if anything goes wrong I'm stuck all
CA>> over again with no idea where to look or what to change. 

ML> yeah, that can be a problem... on the netmask stuff, that's
ML> TCP/IP related and would be located in areas that
ML> specialize in teaching about TCP/IP basics... 

Maybe so but do people really want to _study_ TCP/IP or do they
just want a direct/simple answer? 

ML> netbeui is used because that's what m$ designed their
ML> networking (network neighborhood) stuffs around... the big
ML> question is whether or not to use netbeui wrapped within
ML> tcp/ip packets... netbeui is not routable and thus cannot
ML> travel between different wiring networks... it needs a
ML> routable protocol like tcp/ip to carry it into different
ML> wiring networks... 

Define "wiring networks" please. 

ML> i know that last part sounds confusing and that's where the
ML> use of a hub or switch comes in to play verses using a
ML> router... in most cases... 

Sounds like NetBEUI is a leftover from the "network wars" when
IBM was pushing token ring and others Novell or Lantastic. :-)

ML> m$ has also gone so far, in recent releases, as to not use
ML> netbeui stuffs... they are still using that method but now
ML> they are building the netbeui packets directly without
ML> using the netbeui protocol to do it for them... they are
ML> then taking these self-built packets and transporting them
ML> via tcp/ip... the overall effect is the same but the under
ML> the hood methods are much different... 

Sounds as though they are 'hiding' NetBEUI to me which doesn't
surprise me in the least. This nonstandard methodology being
forced onto users has gone _way_ past the point of being
competitive into the realm of egos and arrogance IMO. 

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