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"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message 
news:0001HW.C2730469041D601AF0407648@news.verizon.net...

>> "Over" applied to "represent" mean you represent over what you have the
>> facts for. <<
>
> If Sanjaya is over-represented on American Idol (and please note, I have
> never watched that show, ever), it doesn't mean that Sanjaya is lying.  It
> means that we're seeing _too much of him_.  "Over" applied to "represent"
> means something is being represented more times than someone thinks is
> warranted, or the norm.

..but if somoene over-represents Sanjaya's ability, they are at the least 
stretching the truth, at the worst, lying.


>>> You move from selling your point on facts to some degree of
>> excess or distortion. <<
>
> Sure. some degree of excess, but where do you get the idea that it's
> referring to the _facts_?

Context.  Al is talking about convincing people who are proving difficult.

"over-representation of factual presentations"  Over-representation of the 
facts.


>>> "Over" has a common usage in English that supports my
>> viewpoint.  Consider: "overacting" "overachieveieving", "overreaching". 
>> <<
>
> EXACTLY!  Acting too much.  Achieving too much.  Reaching too much.
> REPRESENTING TOO MUCH.

"Too much" connotes multiple ways.  One of them being inflated claims.

I choose to take it that way.  You don't.

> Overepresentation of _presentations_.  Not of _facts_.  "Factual" was used 
> to
> modify the subject, presentations, in that sentence.

Over-representation can still refer to the factual presentations in the 
sense of attempting to make them more intense or emotionally compelling.


>>> Applied to Global warming, "over-representation" therefore equates to
>> overselling the problem in order to convince people there is a problem,
>> which in turn is supported by the context of the rest of the Gore Quote.
>> Namely such phrases as "Category 5 denial" or "bubble of unreality". 
>> He's
>> talking about overselling Global Warming in order to break down 
>> resistance.
>>
>> Which means "scare tactics", just packaged in very nice clinical words.
>>
>> Or "propaganda" if you prefer. <
>
> Or "conservative spin" if you prefer.

I'm sorry.  Global warming is not *conservative* propaganda.  Liberal 
propaganda, sure...


> Oh, please, I have _repeatedly_ done so in this thread -- you're the one 
> with
> the creative interpretation of a simple English sentence.  Feel free to 
> have
> the last word on this, because I'm tired of tilting at this particular
> windmill.  I just don't know what it is about conservatives loving to hate
> Gore, put words in his mouth, misinterpret the words he _does_ say, etc. 
> etc.
> I suppose that given who we have in office, a smart, educated, eloquent
> politican frightens them.  So, like all bullies, they have to resort to a
> "so's your mother!" level of attack.

I can't speak for anybody else but Al Gore frightens me about as much as a 
storebought kid's haloween costume.

Given the nature of your last paragraph and the personal attacks you make on 
those you disagree with, I'll take the last word and call it here.  No 
replies will be made to you or anyone else.

Pity.  Your defense of Gore was very good.  While I'm good at english, you 
are indeed better.


-- 
Q: There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about 
global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them 
hope? What's the right mix?

Gore: I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. 
In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of 
unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any 
discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't 
think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is 
appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how 
dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to 
what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve 
this crisis.

Al Gore, Grist Magazine, 2006
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