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Skriven 2007-06-08 03:51:12 av Vorlonagent (1754.babylon5)
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Ärende: Re: Day of the Dead: my review
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"Matt Ion" <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Vorlonagent wrote:
>
>>>> Don't be so sure that you can't pick them if you try.  Again, Lennier 
>>>> getting Morden is an anomaly in the pattern of people getting dead they 
>>>> had an emotional (often painful and unresolved) bond with.
>>> ASSUMING there was such a pattern.  I wouldn't say Garibaldi had had a
>>> particularly close bond with Dodger other than as an 
>>> almost-one-night-stand.
>>
>> They were getting close, then she had to go and got killed.
>
> "Close" in the whole day or two the GROPOS were on B5?
>
> It was an almost-one-night-stand.

They were attracted and more or less compatible.  Dodger was witty and 
street-smart in a way Lise never was.  I'm not saying anybody bonded or 
anything but they got shipped out all of a sudden and the next thing 
Garibaldi hears she's on the KIA list.  It's a little abrupt and leaves some 
unfinished business

Then again, Dodger could resurface as the part of Garibaldi he was losing 
touch with too.


>> If Lennier did not summon Morden, I like the idea of Morden as a 
>> reflection of Lennier's own deepening darkness.  In that sense, Morden is 
>> the perfect choice.
>
> There's that too.  Then again, if you go by some of the background picked 
> up about him, such as in "The Shadow Within", perhaps Morden was never 
> really as "dark" as Lennier is becoming at this point.

You'e talking to the wrong guy.  I despise Shadow Within precisely because 
of the way Cavelos tried to whitewash Morden.


>>> As several have noted, Lennier had no "unfinished business" with Morden,
>>> so why would he want or expect to see him?
>>>
>>>>> Who he expected is unclear, but you definitely get the sense that 
>>>>> Morden was NOT the one he wanted.
>>>> I got a defintie sense that Lennier was ready for potential trouble.
>>> Notice that he also seems rather surprised and confused when Morden
>>> reveals himself... and Lennier then proceeds to attempt to ignore him
>>> throughout the encounter.  This does not indicate it's someone Lennier
>>> expected or wanted to see.
>>
>> Seems to me that Lennier swung into immidate action.  Lunge, pike to 
>> morden's throat.
>
> Except he didn't know it was Morden immediately.  He heard the voice, he 
> lunged... and put his pike up to the newspaper Morden was holding in front 
> of his face.  When Morden lowered the paper, it took Lennier a moment to 
> even recognize him - recall that Lennier had never had a lot of close 
> dealings with Morden but knew of his deeds more through what he had heard 
> and been told by Delenn.  Thus his initial confusion, followed by the 
> surprise that it was not who he'd expected to see.

I guess I need to re-watch the ep.  It's been to long to remember.


>> After that, Lennier was not ignoring Morden but his message.
>>
>> In many ways, the idea of Morden as an external manifestation of 
>> Lennier's own Shadow seems to fit very nicely.  Lennier treats Morden the 
>> same way he treats that part of himself...trying to bury it in meditation 
>> and duty instead of facing it.
>
> Agreed.

I'm leaning toward that more and more.  That Lennier came looking for an 
answer and rejected the reflection the universe gave him.


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