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Ärende: Re: [OT] Nimoy at SDCC: "It was logical!"
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"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:02:24 -0500, "Carl" <cengman7@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:42:36 -0500, "Carl" <cengman7@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Thunder Fantastic!" <deceptar@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:uGwri.18797$fJ5.7693@pd7urf1no...
>>>>>I have to say I'm not looking forward to any re-imagining of Star 
>>>>>Trek...
>>>>>I
>>>>>was a big fan of the original and it just won't be the same for me
>>>>>without
>>>>>those actors.
>>>>>   I'm sure the new movie will make money and people will love it but I
>>>>> intend to pass on it. For me, anyway, I think Star Trek is dead...
>>>>
>>>>Personally, I think the *only* way to revive Trek is to re-imagine it.
>>>>
>>>>Trying to go back in time is (IMO) a terrible idea; everyone knows how 
>>>>it
>>>>ends before it starts.  Trying to go forward is difficult because you're
>>>>trapped by canon.  In theory it shouldn't matter because the stories
>>>>should
>>>>be based on people, but fans get distracted by any little deviation from
>>>>what went before.
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand, if they tried a "reset" of Trek now I think they'd be
>>>>too
>>>>influenced by and compared to Batllestar Galactica. They'd probably do
>>>>things simply to show they're being different.  The comparison would get
>>>>in
>>>>the way.  They'd need to wait a few years for it to work.
>>>>
>>>>If they don't do a full reboot, let it rest in piece.
>>>
>>> OTOH, the Bond movies have worked through many Bonds,
>>
>>The most recent Bond was somewhat of a reboot.  I liked Casino Royale,
>>partially because it wasn't the same old same old.  No gadgets, no Q, no
>>stolen nukes, killer satellites or plans to take over the world. No Vodka
>>Martini...shaken, not stirred. I liked it a lot more than I expected to,
>>even though I didn't care for the villian very much.
>
> I liked it too. It was a reboot, but in a sense, it was closer to the
> spirit of the books and From Russia With Love. Which in a way is what
> I'd like to see happen to Trek -- recapture the spirit of the
> original.

I would too.  I just don't think you can do it as a continuation of the
framework established by the whole TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY universe.
I think they've locked themselves in and you have to go back and
hit a reset.


>>Also, the technology changed every movie.  Fans don't demand that Bond 
>>drive
>>an Astin Martin and carry a Walther PPK.  Try designing an Enterprise
>>without 2 Nacelles and see how far you get.   There may be some, but I 
>>don't
>>hear about dozens of Bond conventions in which people walk around in a Tux
>>or dressed as Odd Job, Knick Knack, or Blofeld (they'd be mistaken as Dr.
>>Evil from Austen Powers anyway).
>
>>> and there have been successful remakes of some pretty iconic
>>> stuff, e.g., King Kong.
>>
>>Mostly on the strength of special effects or the star attached to the
>>project.  I have a hard time thinking big name stars could walk into the
>>role of Kirk and Spock, and I don't know what they could do
>
> They've already chosen a Spock, it seems -- the guy who played Sylar
> on Heroes. And Nemoy will be in it playing his older self.

No idea who that is.

>
>>> I tend to think that how well they do it is more important than how
>>> faithful they are to every last detail, and that the constraints of
>>> reasonable fidelity to the premises of the show aren't a problem if
>>> they remember three things that the later shows and the lesser of the
>>> movies forgot: the galaxy is immense, varied, and almost undiscovered;
>>> most of the action has to take place on a human scale; the stories and
>>> characters must be, within the constraints of heroic fiction,
>>> plausible.
>>
>>I originally wrote a fairly lengthy list of things that I don't think you
>>could
>>change if you continue in the current Trek Universe.  Thinking better of 
>>it,
>>I'm curious what you think you *could* significantly change and still keep
>>fan acceptance?
>
> I think you'd be safe with an Enterprise that looked like the original
> done on a higher budget and with modern effects.

Only if you hit the reset, although you'd have to update it a little.

If you continued after Voyager, you'd have to introduce new
weapons and technology.  Do you stick with the old warp engines
or do you let Starfleet reverse engineer slipstream drives?
Do you let them invent the personal shields that the Borg had
(once you plant the idea) and then make landing parties/away teams
almost invulnerable or admit that Starfleet is too stupid to
learn from the alien technology they've come across over several
hundred years.

We have phones that are the size of earpieces now.  Do you let communicators
become too small to see?  I can imagine how the audience
and the characters not seeing communicators would cause a problem
in some stories.

Either we've learned a lot more by then, in which case the villians
have to be much worse than the Borg, Founders, etc., or there's
no risk and therefore no drama.  (Hmmm... a Start Trek comedy?)

The alternative is a complete collapse of Start Fleet and a much
darker and more militaristic series, which could work but I don't think
they'd let it go there.

<snip>

You could make the changes you mentioned, but only on a reboot, not a
continuation (which was my original point).

Instead, they've decided to do a "Star Trek, the Lost Tales" instead.
I doubt it will live up to another set of Lost Tales that came out. :)

Carl

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