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Skriven 2006-09-24 11:38:00 av Robert E Starr JR (9359.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: Can You BELIEVE This?
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<450960b2$0$6826$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net><0001HW.C1397A3E02A58E48F0407530@news.verizon.net><ef10i90150d@drn.newsguy.co

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:36:09 -0400, "Mac Breck"
<macthevorlon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
>news:0001HW.C1398DCF02AA2454F0407530@news.verizon.net...
>> >> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:47:21 -0400, Jan wrote
>> (in article <ef10i90150d@drn.newsguy.com>):
>>
>> > In article <0001HW.C1397A3E02A58E48F0407530@news.verizon.net>, Amy
>Guskin
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:48:04 -0400, phil wrote
>> >> (in article <nst7h2d54ssm102ggv1ldpohvl29cjarai@4ax.com>):
>> >>
>> >>> On 17 Sep 2006 18:14:34 -0700, "Joseph DeMartino"
>> >>> <jdemarti@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> phil wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> unless the last person to work on your kitchen sink drain was an
>idiot
>> >>>>> who Africian American engineered ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Now *there's* a term that belongs on a civilized discussion
>group.  Any
>> >>>> other stupid ethnic stereotypes you'd like to get off your chest,
>phil?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And before you deny that you're a bigot, let me explain something
>to
>> >>>> you. If you USE that phrase, you ARE a bigot.  Casually
>trafficking in
>> >>>> degrading stereotypes if one of the symptoms of that particular
>> >>>> disease.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Joe
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You don't _know_ me; you've never met me or spent any time in
>> >>> conversation and yet _you_ can parse my comment to conclude that I
>am
>> >>> a bigot; well _I_ can just as easily parse your statement to
>conclude
>> >>> that you are a bloviating buffoon, but _I_ wont.
>> >>> It was just such ad hominem assaults  combined with my illness
>that
>> >>> caused me to pull back from this group some 6 months ago.I see
>_now_
>> >>> that was the right decision.
>> >>> you have _no_ idea of how badly that idiot butchered this house;
>don't
>> >>> know his name or race, don't really care>  <<
>> >>
>> >> Phil, to be fair to Joe, _you're_ the one who said "African
>American
>> >> engineered."  Now, I have no idea what that means, but I don't see
>how it
>> >> can
>> >> be taken as anything _but_ a racist comment.  And if you don't know
>his
>> >> race,
>> >> why would you call him that?
>> >>
>> >
>> > It took me a minute but I can only assume that "Africian American
>engineered"
>>
>> > is
>> > a supposedly sanitized way of saying "n****r-rigged".  Blech.  I
>need to go
>> > wash
>> > my hands now. <<
>>
>> Uh...
>>
>> Gosh.  It's no wonder I didn't know what he meant.  I have never heard
>that
>> term in my life.  After reading the initial post causing the furor, I
>went
>> and looked up the sanitized term on urbandictionary.com but couldn't
>find it.
>>  This one, I found.
>>
>> But again, I don't know how that can be taken as anything but racist.
>
>Maybe you're just not old enough.  If you were, you might just instantly
>translate it in your head to someone doing a substandard job that looks
>awful and is prone to fail immediately, or in the near future, and you
>wouldn't even dwell on it as an ethnic slur.  I personally don't use it,
>but neither do lecture others that do use it.  In fact, I can think of
>no other phrase that conveys that exact meaning in only two words.  To
>me, it just means someone, ANYONE, doing a slipshod, substandard, ugly
>job, usually using too many parts and/or parts not suited to EVER
>perform that particular function, and/or cheap, junk parts.  Think
>"shoemaker" (cobbled together) or "Rube Goldberg" or jury-rigged
>(although the latter implies solely out of necessity, i.e.
>MacGyver-ized, not out of being incompetent/stupid/shortsighted).

I'm 58, sir - and it was offensive to ME!

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