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Skriven 2006-10-13 14:01:13 av Shabaz
Ärende: Re: Further B5:TLT update from jms
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From: "Shabaz" <shabaz.x@gmail.com>

Amy Guskin wrote:
> >> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:41:01 -0400, Shabaz wrote
> (in article <1160750461.461425.126040@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Amy Guskin wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:41:29 -0400, Shabaz wrote
> >> (in article <1160710889.028519.83780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
> >>>
> >>> Oh, all of those would have had colour grading done them to some
> >>> extent. The digital part just means that it would allow them way more
> >>> flexibility in the process, and possibly some more room to experiment a
> >>> bit. Which is what I wondering about. Also, since it's shot digitally,
> >>> the pipeline (which in the rule does involve colour grading, or colour
> >>> timing) is a bit different, and more likely to involve digital grading.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But again, saying that colour grading is a gimmick is a bit like saying
> >>> that shooting stuff with a camera is a gimmick because the folks at BSG
> >>> tend to shake around theirs at times. <<
> >>
> >> Okay, now that Matt's given me an analogy I can understand, and I've gone
> >> back and reviewed your initial comment about this, I've decided that my
> >> initial reply still stands.  You said initially:
> >>
> >>>> To make a bit of a tangential aside, about something I'm pretty sure
> >> I'm one of the few that cares about it; I'm personally kind of curious
> >> what will be done with the colour grading. I'm personally a fan of some
> >> of the more heavy handed grading, that can for instance be done with
> >> digital grading, and hope that they will also experiment a bit with
> >> that, possible since it is now easier to do with TLT being shot
> >> digitally. I think it can really help to bring out mood and atmosphere,
> >> and I love some things that have been done in more recent television.<<
> >>
> >> So, while color grading itself is just a tool -- which can be used well or
> >> badly -- it sounds to me like you _are_ hoping for them to explore some of
> >> the more gimmicky uses of color grading, which is what I (and at least
> >> Chris)
> >> objected to.
> >>
> >> I think that if TLT does that, the first thing out of people's mouthes
when
> >> they see the show is, "Oh, look, they're trying to look exactly like BSG."
> >> (Which would be ironic, as the first thing out of my mouth when the first
> >> episode of BSG appeared on my tv was "Oh, look, they're trying to look
> >> exactly like B5." <g>)
> >>
> >> Amy
> >
> > I suppose under your definition what I want in that post is "gimmicky".
> > But for the record, what I had in mind when I used the word "heavy
> > handed" is also something like what they did in LotR. Again, I I fear I
> > have indeed been expressing myself really poor, and for that my
> > apologies. I wouldn't want them to use grading to make B5 look like a
> > radioactive wasteland, or anything like that. I think when I said mood
> > and atmosphere, that at least was pretty clearly expressing what I had
> > in my head. It's more about... making use of the flexibility of the
> > more modern forms of grading to create something unique, and push the
> > edges a bit in that department.
> >
> > I've made some screenshots of LotR (which was graded with a digital
> > intermediate) to illustrate how big of a change the grading made
> > happen, without ever getting particularly obtrusive, or calling
> > attention to itself. And yet, if you see the before and after I think
> > you would agree it is done with a pretty heavy hand, but in a good way.
> > If you know the before, you'll see the big difference, but if not, it
> > shouldn't be obtrusive, or jump out as just a 'gimmick'. You can find
> > them here: http://tinyurl.com/ykcqod <<
>
> Now see, I wouldn't call any of that heavy-handed.  Nothing jumps out as
> visually jarring.  I think it might be a language barrier thing, though.
> When I think "heavy-handed," I think "overuse."  In several of those (notably
> the change of the color of the river, and the Galadriel one), they certainly
> made _strong_ use of the technology, but not what I'd think of as
> "heavy-handed."
>
> Thanks for the education, in any case.
>
> Amy

Well, English is not my native language (I'm Dutch), but I'm familiar
enough with the language that I usually am able to express myself
better. Strong would've probably been a better term to use. But thanks
for bearing with me while I was trying to make sense of what I was
trying to say myself. <g>

-Shabaz


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