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Skriven 2006-10-14 04:32:59 av Amy Guskin
Ärende: Re: Further B5:TLT update from jms
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From: Amy Guskin <aisling@fjordstone.com>

>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:01:13 -0400, Shabaz wrote
(in article <1160762473.439239.219180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:41:01 -0400, Shabaz wrote
>> (in article <1160750461.461425.126040@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>):
>> 
>>> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:41:29 -0400, Shabaz wrote
>>>> (in article <1160710889.028519.83780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, all of those would have had colour grading done them to some
>>>>> extent. The digital part just means that it would allow them way more
>>>>> flexibility in the process, and possibly some more room to experiment a
>>>>> bit. Which is what I wondering about. Also, since it's shot digitally,
>>>>> the pipeline (which in the rule does involve colour grading, or colour
>>>>> timing) is a bit different, and more likely to involve digital grading.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> But again, saying that colour grading is a gimmick is a bit like saying
>>>>> that shooting stuff with a camera is a gimmick because the folks at BSG
>>>>> tend to shake around theirs at times. <<
>>>> 
>>>> Okay, now that Matt's given me an analogy I can understand, and I've gone
>>>> back and reviewed your initial comment about this, I've decided that my
>>>> initial reply still stands.  You said initially:
>>>> 
>>>>>> To make a bit of a tangential aside, about something I'm pretty sure
>>>> I'm one of the few that cares about it; I'm personally kind of curious
>>>> what will be done with the colour grading. I'm personally a fan of some
>>>> of the more heavy handed grading, that can for instance be done with
>>>> digital grading, and hope that they will also experiment a bit with
>>>> that, possible since it is now easier to do with TLT being shot
>>>> digitally. I think it can really help to bring out mood and atmosphere,
>>>> and I love some things that have been done in more recent television.<<
>>>> 
>>>> So, while color grading itself is just a tool -- which can be used well or
>>>> badly -- it sounds to me like you _are_ hoping for them to explore some of
>>>> the more gimmicky uses of color grading, which is what I (and at least
>>>> Chris)
>>>> objected to.
>>>> 
>>>> I think that if TLT does that, the first thing out of people's mouthes 
>>>> when
>>>> they see the show is, "Oh, look, they're trying to look exactly like BSG."
>>>> (Which would be ironic, as the first thing out of my mouth when the first
>>>> episode of BSG appeared on my tv was "Oh, look, they're trying to look
>>>> exactly like B5." <g>)
>>>> 
>>>> Amy
>>> 
>>> I suppose under your definition what I want in that post is "gimmicky".
>>> But for the record, what I had in mind when I used the word "heavy
>>> handed" is also something like what they did in LotR. Again, I I fear I
>>> have indeed been expressing myself really poor, and for that my
>>> apologies. I wouldn't want them to use grading to make B5 look like a
>>> radioactive wasteland, or anything like that. I think when I said mood
>>> and atmosphere, that at least was pretty clearly expressing what I had
>>> in my head. It's more about... making use of the flexibility of the
>>> more modern forms of grading to create something unique, and push the
>>> edges a bit in that department.
>>> 
>>> I've made some screenshots of LotR (which was graded with a digital
>>> intermediate) to illustrate how big of a change the grading made
>>> happen, without ever getting particularly obtrusive, or calling
>>> attention to itself. And yet, if you see the before and after I think
>>> you would agree it is done with a pretty heavy hand, but in a good way.
>>> If you know the before, you'll see the big difference, but if not, it
>>> shouldn't be obtrusive, or jump out as just a 'gimmick'. You can find
>>> them here: http://tinyurl.com/ykcqod <<
>> 
>> Now see, I wouldn't call any of that heavy-handed.  Nothing jumps out as
>> visually jarring.  I think it might be a language barrier thing, though.
>> When I think "heavy-handed," I think "overuse."  In several of those 
>> (notably
>> the change of the color of the river, and the Galadriel one), they certainly
>> made _strong_ use of the technology, but not what I'd think of as
>> "heavy-handed."
>> 
>> Thanks for the education, in any case.
>> 
>> Amy
> 
> Well, English is not my native language (I'm Dutch), but I'm familiar
> enough with the language that I usually am able to express myself
> better. Strong would've probably been a better term to use. But thanks
> for bearing with me while I was trying to make sense of what I was
> trying to say myself. <g> <<

Ah, Dutch!  I'm trying to remember if we have any Dutch members on the map of 
rastb5.mod members...

Anyway, I'd only add here that "heavy-handed" generally has a negative 
connotation, which is probably why I reacted as I did.

Amy

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