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Skriven 2006-09-24 11:56:00 av Robert E Starr JR (9410.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: Can You BELIEVE This?
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<450960b2$0$6826$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net><0001HW.C1397A3E02A58E48F0407530@news.verizon.net><ef10i90150d@drn.newsguy.co
"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C13A06A00001E112F0407530@news.verizon.net...
> >> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:36:09 -0400, Mac Breck wrote
> (in article <45143dcd$0$19893$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net>):
>
> > "Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
> > news:0001HW.C1398DCF02AA2454F0407530@news.verizon.net...
> >>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:47:21 -0400, Jan wrote
> >> (in article <ef10i90150d@drn.newsguy.com>):
> >>
> >>> In article <0001HW.C1397A3E02A58E48F0407530@news.verizon.net>, Amy
> > Guskin
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:48:04 -0400, phil wrote
> >>>> (in article <nst7h2d54ssm102ggv1ldpohvl29cjarai@4ax.com>):
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 17 Sep 2006 18:14:34 -0700, "Joseph DeMartino"
> >>>>> <jdemarti@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> phil wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> unless the last person to work on your kitchen sink drain was
an
> > idiot
> >>>>>>> who Africian American engineered ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now *there's* a term that belongs on a civilized discussion
> > group. Any
> >>>>>> other stupid ethnic stereotypes you'd like to get off your
chest,
> > phil?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And before you deny that you're a bigot, let me explain
something
> > to
> >>>>>> you. If you USE that phrase, you ARE a bigot. Casually
> > trafficking in
> >>>>>> degrading stereotypes if one of the symptoms of that particular
> >>>>>> disease.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Joe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You don't _know_ me; you've never met me or spent any time in
> >>>>> conversation and yet _you_ can parse my comment to conclude that
I
> > am
> >>>>> a bigot; well _I_ can just as easily parse your statement to
> > conclude
> >>>>> that you are a bloviating buffoon, but _I_ wont.
> >>>>> It was just such ad hominem assaults combined with my illness
> > that
> >>>>> caused me to pull back from this group some 6 months ago.I see
> > _now_
> >>>>> that was the right decision.
> >>>>> you have _no_ idea of how badly that idiot butchered this house;
> > don't
> >>>>> know his name or race, don't really care> <<
> >>>>
> >>>> Phil, to be fair to Joe, _you're_ the one who said "African
> > American
> >>>> engineered." Now, I have no idea what that means, but I don't
see
> > how it
> >>>> can
> >>>> be taken as anything _but_ a racist comment. And if you don't
know
> > his
> >>>> race,
> >>>> why would you call him that?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> It took me a minute but I can only assume that "Africian American
> > engineered"
> >>
> >>> is
> >>> a supposedly sanitized way of saying "n****r-rigged". Blech. I
> > need to go
> >>> wash
> >>> my hands now. <<
> >>
> >> Uh...
> >>
> >> Gosh. It's no wonder I didn't know what he meant. I have never
heard
> > that
> >> term in my life. After reading the initial post causing the furor,
I
> > went
> >> and looked up the sanitized term on urbandictionary.com but
couldn't
> > find it.
> >> This one, I found.
> >>
> >> But again, I don't know how that can be taken as anything but
racist.
> >
> > Maybe you're just not old enough. If you were, you might just
instantly
> > translate it in your head to someone doing a substandard job that
looks
> > awful and is prone to fail immediately, or in the near future, and
you
> > wouldn't even dwell on it as an ethnic slur. <<
>
> I'm in my 40s, Mac, and I've lived in extremely cosmopolitan areas of
the
> country. I _never_ heard it used in either New York, or (certainly
not!)
> Philadelphia.
Well, I'll be 50 in March, and it's used in southwestern PA. See, if
you've never heard it before, you see/hear it as its individual words,
and then try to come up with a likely meaning. I see/hear it as a
phrase, and already know exactly what it means. Before I fixed/upgraded
the plumbing under my cousin Joyce's kitchen sink, that's how she
described the existing plumbing, as something that her father
"nigger-rigged." The whole house is like that. <rolleyes> In fact, now
that I think of it, that's probably where my cousin Jim (her brother)
gets his tendency to do stuff that way. I design and install stuff so
that it's professional, logical, and easy to work on later.
> I _have_ heard people say "jewed him down on the price" and think it's
> equally as fine as some of you seem to think of this inappropriate
phrase.
I hear that all the time. Doesn't bother me, but that doesn't mean I'd
say it in front of a Jew. Ditto for the other phrase. No need to
offend anybody for whom that phrase may be a flashpoint, but amongst
those who you know won't be offended by it, those who know the meaning,
it's OK. Like I said, I don't use 'em, but I know what they mean, and I
jump right to the meaning.
> Using something a lot, over a long period of time, does _not_ sanitize
it.
>
> My guess is that those of you who are all "Pshaw, it's nothing!" over
this
> phrase are western-European descended white males.
I am.
> >> Think
> > "shoemaker" (cobbled together) or "Rube Goldberg" or jury-rigged
> > (although the latter implies solely out of necessity, i.e.
> > MacGyver-ized, not out of being incompetent/stupid/shortsighted). <<
>
> "Jury rigged" seems to convey the exact same thing, in the same amount
of
> syllables, and using less letters.
Not the EXACT same thing, as I said above. Jury-rigged isn't
necessarily disparaging. Jerry-rigged is (to Germans), but I don't take
offense at that either, because I jump right to the meaning. I don't
consider myself a German American, but rather just an American. The
*intent* is to convey *contempt* about the job (i.e. existing carpentry
job, existing plumbing job, existing wiring job, etc.) that you're
looking at. It also helps you blow off steam before you tackle the
repair/upgrade job. Swearing helps, too. Often the two are combined.
;-)
> I wouldn't use "Rube Goldberg," because
> that makes me think of something with a lot of unlikely parts that
generally
> works _well_,
No, not necessarily. Something with a lot of unlikely parts generally
means that something will not work well (i.e. be durable and efficient).
The more parts there are, the more things you have that can break/fail.
It's like an equation; you want to reduce it to its simplest form,
*except* that you still be workable from a repair-in-the-future
standpoint.
> like the machines in Bugs Bunny cartoons and Wallace & Grommit.
...or that intro. scene to "Back to the Future" ?
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
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