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 ML> fact that most if not all punishment can be considered to be
 ML> cruel, merely prohibited "cruel and unusual punishment."
 GJ> I suppose if some cruel punishments are used frequently enough, they
 GJ> can be considered "usual", and therefore be allowed.

 ML> Always ready to distort to make a point, eh.

The variants of the English language allow wonderful possibilities for
distortion; ask any politician.

 ML> In fact, if community standards allow them, government has to
 ML> tead carefully in disallowing them. Waterboarding hasn't been
 ML> given the community imprimatur and is not likely to get it:
 ML> thus meddlesome international standards become relevant. As
 ML> far as the stocks and ducking chair go, these, as performed in
 ML> the Colonies, would be Constitutionally allowable as long as
 ML> the population countenanced them (though I believe that they were
 ML> abolished by the time the United States had its independence).

They were certainly widely applied before that time, though, in the
country from which your Founding Fathers came.  Then, Americans were
ceremonially ripping out hearts from living captives.  More recently,
on both sides of the Atlantic there have been improvements.

 ML> Burning at the stake was at no time in recent history usual,

It used to be, a few hundred years ago; ask St Joan.

 ML> and there's no doubt it was always cruel.

St Joan would doubtless agree.

 ML> The problem with Aussies everywhere.
 GJ> Unlike the above teeming millions, there are so few of us that we can
 GJ> live comfortably with our level of pollution - so far.

 ML> I hear that there's a shortage of sperm donors in Australia.
 ML> NPG is a good solution to pollution, but it's insanity for
 ML> the perpetuation of humanity.

I have read that Onan is alive and willing in USA, prepared to assist.

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           On the Spit
 
  The Doner Kebab is the most popular of the three types. It consists of
  minced lamb combined with a selection of herbs and spices, which is
  then pressed hard into the distinctive conical shape using a specially
  constructed 'broiler' where it is also given a binding agent (usually
  fat and egg). When this is carved up, it produces long, wafer thin
  strips of meat which are then stuffed into a pitta bread and topped
  off with salad and sauces.
  
  The Chicken Shawarma is the only "on the spit" chicken product
  normally available. It is very often referred to as the Chicken Doner
  to help confused customers but this is a crucial mistake. Shawarma
  products, unlike Doner Kebabs, are made of small chunks of meat which
  are pushed together onto the spit. The resulting effect, when the
  meat is carved off the spit, is to give lots of small chunks of meat
  which are not bound in any way. The overall effect is totally
  different to a Doner Kebab in both taste and texture. It is a fairly
  recent introduction to appease over-cautious consumers who described
  Doner Kebabs as 'rank'.
  
  The Lamb Shawarma serves to underline how different a Shawarma is to a
  Doner Kebab. Despite using the same meat, they are completely
  different. A Lamb Shawarma will be somewhat drier but tastier than a
  Doner; made up of chunks like the Chicken variant. This type of Kebab
  is hard to find and tends to be a real Middle Eastern speciality, and
  therefore more expensive.
  
  On the Griddle
  
  The Lamb Shish consists of chunks of meat, weighing about 20-25g,
  grilled on a skewer. There are variations. You may notice that some
  shops scoop these chunks out of a tray, and dispense with the skewer.
  This is unlikely to make much difference to the flavour. You may also
  notice that the skewer being grilled contains chunks of onion and
  pepper. A generous soul may assume he is being vegetables free.
  Better to assume that you are being deprived of meat free. The chunks
  are then distilled into a Pitta bread and served in the same way as
  the other kebabs discussed.
  
  The Chicken Shish is identical to the lamb in most important
  respects. With chicken however, restaurants are keener on marinating.
  Look for skewers sitting in trays of paprika and curry oil; these are
  likelier to deliver. Incidentally, this is often slightly more
  expensive than the lamb shish, which is curious as chicken seems to
  be cheaper in the shops.
  
  The Lamb Kofte consists of minced lamb mixed (heavily) with parsley
  and other herbs. This is then given a binding agent and pressed onto
  a skewer. As this has not undergone the broiling process, the texture
  is completely different from a Doner, resembling a meatloaf.
  
  Iskender Kebab is hard to find and not really an original, as it
  consists of a mixture of Doner Kebab strips and Lamb Shish served
  together in a Pitta with a light, usually more tomatoey, chilli sauce
  and oodles of yoghurt. If you can track this bugger down, it is an
  absolute delight.
  
  From: Dave Drum                       Date: 10-24-04
 
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