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Skriven 2008-11-24 14:29:17 av Ruth Haffly (1:396/45.28)
  Kommentar till text 16734 av Nancy Backus (1:3634/12.0)
Ärende: LLLI cookbooks  was: strawberries
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Hi Nancy,

 RH> Seems that way.  There are a lot of good recipies in that book.  They
 RH> made an emphasis on whole grains and chemical free (nitrate free bacon
 RH> for instance) products with it. The first LLLI cook book hadn't; it's
 RH> quite interesting comparing the 2.  I still modify some of the recipes
 RH> even more. (G)

 NB> One gets used to certain substitutions for better nutrition, and they
 NB> seem to work their way into other recipes.. (G)  "But I CAN'T use... I
 NB> haven't got any in the house...!"

I know; if you've got any cook books that have brand name products used
in them......................  So what if the tomato sauce isn't C or H
or DM as long as it's tomato sauce?


 RH> I know we tried to get one of my sisters in law into a group in 1981.
 RH> She lived in the Brockport area at the time, now is in town where
 RH> Steve grew up, a bit west (Hulberton).  She tried nursing but didn't
 RH> really have much success so went to bottle feeding rather quickly.
 RH> Probably did so because she bottle fed the first one and was more
 RH> comfortable with it.

 NB> She knew what to expect with that.  Had she seen her mom nurse?  Or

She (Steve's mom) bottle fed all 5 of her kids; my nursing Rachel was a
first in their family.  My MIL came down to help the first week but
couldn't really help with nursing problems.  She did fix a good sized
portion of broccoli for me one night (eat your vegetables); Rachel had a
good case of gas a few hours later. Her intentions were good but the
lack of knowledge was bad for all of us.


 NB> did she have any sisters that did?  That often is more helpful than

Her only sister had her first baby just 6 weeks before, don't know if
she nursed or bottle fed.  I also don't know about sisters in law on her
husbands' side.  I was in NC; too far away to be an effective help.

 NB> anything else...  I imagine that she would have felt more at home in a
 NB> group if
 NB> she had had a friend or family member to go with her... or that was
 NB> already part of the group.  I think for nursing to go well, one has to
 NB> either have the right mindset about it, or have lots of good
 NB> support... or both...  :)

I think it's a lot of both.  Rachel is nursing Sarah, and did Robert but
I know she started suppliments (relatively) early with Robert.  She
wants to go longer with straight nursing Sarah however.


 NB> My husband's sister-in-law bottle-fed both her kids... She was feeding
 NB> her first while I was nursing my kid... we mostly didn't talk about
 NB> our different methods, to avoid arguments...  By the time she had her
 NB> second, she sorta gave nursing a try, but decided it wasn't for her.
 NB> But I think it was a similar situation to your sister-in-law.


Keeps the formula/bottle industries in business. (G)  But, it's
something that you can't pressure a woman into, successfully anyway.


 NB> All my sisters nursed their kids, never considered anything else...
 NB> but then, Mommy had nursed all of us, and we just took it for granted
 NB> that
 NB> that was the normal way to do things... and the next generation is

Same here. My mom claims she nursed all of us for 6 moths but my baby
book says that I was on all cows milk by Election Day.  My birthday is
in the latter part of July; her math doesn't add up there.


 NB> doing the same.  :)  Nowadays, I've noticed that there's a lot more
 NB> support
 NB> from the get-go, from the hospital when the baby is born, and usually
 NB> from the doctors...

Yes, Rachel was visited by a lactation specialist when Sarah was only
about 3 hours old.  She also called Rachel a week later, don't know
about other times.  Sarah's doctor and Rachel's ob-gyn are both very
supportive as well.


 RH> That made it really nice.  Of course most families didn't need all of
 RH> the information in one month (G) but it was nice if you wanted a
 RH> "crash course."  Steve was kidded at the time that he could run a

 NB> Exactly.  :)

 RH> meeting because he was so well informed from reading what I picked up &
 RH> books he bought. Once he even gave a strong pitch for nursing to one of
 RH> the local law enforcement guys in the town where we lived.  We were
 RH> talking babies with him as he told us his wife was expecting which led
 RH> into questions on feeding............................

 NB> I think that similar happened with us... Richard was as great an
 NB> advocate of it as I.  ;)

It's a big help when your husband is fully into it as well.  Steve had
thought I'd bottle feed asthat was all he basically knew about.  When I
told him I'd be doing otherwise, he started reading about it.  The more
he read, the more he got into the positives of the idea.  When I was
pregnant with Deborah, I'd kid him every so often by saying "I think
I'll try bottle feeding this one........" and got a strong "don't even
think about it" answer back.


 NB>  NB>> Fortunately we had a good pediatrician.  He did ask periodically
 NB> if we  NB>> had started certain solid foods, but didn't make any sort
 NB> of fuss when  NB>> I'd tell him the baby wasn't really interested yet.
 NB>  And he didn't  NB>> push at all.  He knew I was nursing, and the baby
 NB> was obviously
 NB>  NB>> thriving...

 RH> That makes all the difference in the world, a doctor who is willing to
 RH> work with you instead of against you. Of course having a healthy baby
 RH> as Exhibit A is nice too. (G)

 NB> Yup.  (G)

Beats a kid with the formula fatties as we found out Rachel's original
pediatrician had. He was very anti nursing too.


 RH> Sounds like a good plan to me.  Again, we will have to find a new
 RH> natural foods store when we move.  Half the time here, I'm thinking of

 NB> Lots of things to have to replace when you move... :)

Sigh! Don't I know; how many times have I done this already?


 RH> the name of the one we shopped at in HI when I tell Steve we need to
 RH> go to the one here.  But, I usually say the right name, even tho I'm
 RH> thinking of the other one.

 NB> I always get the names of the one in Canton and the department in
 NB> Wegmans confused in my brain... but we know what I'm trying to say.


That helps, especially if you're not in Canton and want to got to
Wegman's or vice versa. (G)


 NB>  NB>> My niece that lived with us for a few years has given us
 NB> "bragging  NB>> rights" to her baby... her mom just has to share him
 NB> with us.  :)  I'm  NB>> "Aunt Grammy", Richard is "Grumple" (short for
 NB> Grampa Uncle)...  As
 RH>                              ******
 RH> Cute.  We were surrogate grandparents to the baby that lived next to
 RH> us in HI.  I was there when he was born.

 NB> I was there for Derek's birth too... part of the team... :)

It was funny with Amy; her coloring is similar to mine and she's
Rachel's age so everyone thought I was the real grandmother.

 RH> Our girls "adopted" quite a number of "grandparents" in our various
 RH> churches. One down side of the military is that they didn't see their
 RH> real grandparents as often as we would have liked  but the girls had a
 RH> lot of fill ins.  To this day tho, they have a good relationship with
 RH> both sets of grandparents.

 NB> Propinquinty is useful, but only one part of it... Good visits when
 NB> they do happen help a lot too... and staying in touch other ways as
 NB> well.  :)

Yes, Rachel and Deborah both do pick up the phone fairly often and call
their grandparents.  Deborah is up in Las Vegas thru the week end; she
will be there for Robert's 5th birthday.  She was telling us about the
cake they did for his pirate themed party--"The Jolly Robert II" and the
problems they had with version I.  Wish we could have been flies on the
wall for that. (G)

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Catch you later,
Ruth
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