Text 4029, 264 rader
Skriven 2008-03-19 21:36:55 av Carol Shenkenberger (10038.cooks)
   Kommentar till text 3946 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
Ärende: Dogs and food
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 > Hehe.. I'll try to get you that pile of recipes I promised in email soon :)
 > Just have to dig up the message I wrote to my NC for his doggie recently (gr

Ok!  I'll be looking!


 > > Thats what we are doing.  Also, the foster parents said they swapped food
 > > types (all dry) on a regular basis so he's not set on one type.  He actual
 > > probably perfers a bit of variety?  His wet food varies as well.  One day
 > > it's chicken, another is beef, etc.
 > 
 > Well, I think what they meant was they switched flavors of the same kind of 
 > food all the time.. like if they bought Purina Adult Dog Food, it comes in
 > Chicken, Beef, Lamb, etc.  Switching between the different flavors won't
 > matter.. switching to another brand is different :)

No, I think they swapped brands.  I didnt know that was a problem although I
have heard that a pet raised on just one type, can get baulky at a shift.  If
they are used to shifting, my cat experience is they actually kinda like the
shift and get bored with the same brand too often.

Dogs mind this?  I did not know.  I swaped to Eukanba (something like that)
as what seemed reasonable priced and reasonable quality.  

Seems ok as far as you know?

 > > Naw, problem solved. He needed more wet in the food.  The rice, was a fill
 > > that didnt seem to cause anything one way or the other.  I just knew it wa
 > > safe for him.
 > 
 > Yes, normally it would be. When I run out of dog food, I give the labs here 
 > couple of cups of rice with a couple of lbs. of whatever meat I have that I'
 > willing to part with :) :)  Sometimes I just throw in eggs and leftovers.. b
 > they love that one.. especially if it's got meatballs in it haha

I mix a pedigree brand 13oz wet, 1/2 can each meal, with his dry kibble. When
I dont, I use a bit of stock and now (vet said olive oil just like you!) to
the dry.  He looked over the dashi and said 1/4 cup is fine if he likes it. 
It's far lower sodium than most of the folks insist on using for 'canned
broth'.

Oh, Cash got in early yesterday withthe vet.  Don had to walk him up (about 2
miles each way but nice weather).


 > >> > We weighed him 'home style' by weighing Don, then Don holding Cash.  33
 > >> > lbs.  I checked this at the vet center on their scale and came same. >>
 > >> hehe.. he's a hefty boy :) :) You have to send me some pics :)
 > 


Per vet, we and all others who have met him are right.  He is slightly
underweight.  Not hugely.  He had not yet 'cleard out his breakfast' when
weighted and came in at 34 lbs.  Vet says about 3 more slowly gained is
right.  Also said, 1 cup (mixed like we are) and 1 cup at night (also mixed)
and 6 'treat doggies biscuits' (vice our 3 broke in half) is right.  Tiny
nibbles of other things are fine of low-salt or small bits of cheese.


 > > Gotta find my digital camera!
 > 
 > Ah :)  Ok, I can wait :) :)
 > 
 > >> > I can feel his spine, but this is a 'wide' dog so it doesnt stand out m
 > >> > I seem to feel muscle all along that side area.
 > >>
 > >> That's good then.  You can feel it, that's the point.  He's no where near
 > >> "overweight", and it's not sticking out like he's lost a lot of weight ei
 > 
 > > No, and since then, we have signed up for some classes.  Trainer seemed a
 > > good sort and careful.  Concurred with us that he seems *slightly*
 > > underweight but not enough to matter and might just be some mixed breed
 > > traits going on there.

Also vet figured out left distal leg is *faintly* shorter and almost sure to
be genetic which was one query (may not have posted here) trainer had to have
his hips checked.  Nothing wrong.  Ttainer and hubby both right though, that
wierd rib was probably broken and not set right and one other seems to have
set outwards.  Neither rib causes him any apparent problems or pain. As his
fat fills in, you wont see the inwards one at all. 


 > Glad you found a good trainer :)  That's fantastic.  I hope that works out w
 > for all of you -  Let me know how it goes :)


Will do!  Now if work hours do not change!


 > > If anything, as we warm up, there might be a minor coat problem.  He's got
 > > the 'double layer' of a beagle and seems to overheat easily.
 > 
 > Don't forget he's got his winter coat most likely now, that probably has
 > started to shed already... getting ready for spring and warmer temps... he
 > might enjoy you brushing him a bit to help get that extra fur off :)  Even m
 > labs like that, as short-haired as labs look they still shed a lot of hair (
 
I'm, hoping it thins down for his comfort.  I'm told most of this type 'shed'
twice a year, and we are in the shed time pretty much soon.


 > > The first week, we wondered if he knew how to bark.  Now we've learned whe
 > > he feels 'cause' he can be very vocal indeedee <g>.
 > 
 > Lol, I can just imagine :) :)

Oh yeah!  Try, 2 count it _2_ dogs in heat across the street?  Life can be so
much *fun*!  Did i mention yet he cant be neutered til May?  He is about 3?
I'm actually pretty happy at how well behaved he is about it all ;-)


 > "WHO IS THAT BAYING HUNTER!!!!" hehehe :)
 > 
 > > What was also amusing was the area has other beagles (or like it enough sc
 > > hounds) and they all joined in.  I swear, it almost sounded like they had
 > > triangulated on a prey with Cash as lead dog for a few moments.
 > 
 > That is too funny!!!!  Wish I coulda heard it, but I can just imagine.. We h
 > some "bayer's" in the neighborhood and we hear them take off now and again :
 > :)

It's totally fun!  They also set off the English Bulldogs.  Lady here raises
a few for just regular level pet sort.  Not show brands, nor show prices. 
Just healthy happy ones.  Not a long lived breed, but a rather nice one. 
Anyways, they joined in then the shepards and the labs and lord knows what
else.


So off wanders Cash, nose in the AIR, instant celebrity <g>.  

There is a hierarchy of barking!  I didnt know that!  Little yippy dogs dont
count.  BIG BASS BAYYING OOWWWWOOOHHHHG!!! counts.


 > > Dont worry, he stopped after about 30 seconds and was waggey tail the whol
 > > time.
 > 
 > Oh I bet :)

Yeah, Cash wanted to play <g..


> > The biggest problem with Cash is he wants to make friends with all the dog
 > > and until we have a clear from the vet on his heartworms, we do not allow
 > > that.  Once cleared though the neighbor's dog Technic and he will be fast
 > > friends <g..
 > 
 > Yeah, I bet they sure will :)

Got it yesterday.  Thick as thieves they are now.

 > > So it seems to me.  You wouldnt believe the nitwits in the usenet newsgrou
 > Oh for gawd's sake.. what jerks.. but we knew that already, huh...
 
Oh they got worse.  I dumped the group tonight.  Emailed the only sane person
there and just left.  See, my neighbor has to pedigree english bulldogs and
she lets them breed once a year.  This will be the 4th r 5th time (not sure
other than last time) then sells them for a minimal extra cash as pet level
puppies home raised inside her house (house trained, shots done, all that). 
I mentioned this to 'Jenn' as a side that we have a 2nd dog in heat and it's
a paired set of the 'small but reputable sort' and they set their dogs on me!
I was suddenly responsible for every woe they had ever heard of, was esposing
all their worst nightmares, and was a moron because i should roll over on by
back in begging submission for forgiveness for having posted in their home
turf.  (thats how they acted).  I wished them well and told them if they
wanted more than 5 posts a day they needed newcommers and to not drive us all
off.  I was the 4th I saw leave in a month, which is 80% of the newcommers.

 
 > > The so called 'expert' is the worst of the lot.  Said to feed Cash no more
 > > than 1/4 cup in morning, 1/4 cup at night and no more than 1 dog biscuit a
 > 
 > Oh man.. just starve the dog, why don't ya... I mean, when did she feed him 
 > more than that?  god,  I cannot believe that one.

Yup.  Flamed me as I didnt 'take advice well'.  Doc said, 2 cups a day for
this dog at least for now and no less.

 > > day.  Oh, and it didnt matter that Cash could *eat* a rawbone in 20 mins, 
 > > to give 2 a day.  Good lord!  There's a reason why I watch the web pages o
 > > the more reputable ones for my info! You excepted, most of the other info 
 > > been pretty bad stuff.
 > 
 > Your best bet is your vet, and a good book if he can recommend one, or if no
 > one that someone who you trust recommends..  someone who's at least raised a
 > few dogs and knows the ins and outs of it all.. these people in the newsgrou
 > sound like a bunch of wannabee's.. how sad.

What is so horrible, is they cal me a 'wannabe' for checking books and using
the vet!  You I trust, you are sane.  They are on some wierd twisted 'power
trip'.  

One is a 'professional trainer'.  Took me to task over english bulldogs and
how little I knew.  Asked her if she had ever even seen one.  She had not,
but took me to task for what I said when i have a mated pair across the
street which is the summer gather spot for ouyr neighborhood and the 4-5
other 'kids' of theirs are seen daily here so I have maybe 400 at *least*
times of sitting for an hour or more with 3-4 of them, and she want to tell me
 I dont know anything about them?  This the same fool who says web pages are
useless gained her secondary knowledge more useful than mine where?

Grr.  Well, nuff said.  We all gotta rant sometimes <g>

 > > work.  I recommended either puppy pads or newspaper in the room he is left
 > > for that 5 hours as his bladder just cant hold it, then work outside train
 > > the rest of the time.
 > 
 > 
 > Exactly what I would have done.. newspaper for when the dog couldn't hold it
 > and back to training when I was around.. if a dog door was around with a gat
 > property, that's even better but if not, you deal with the newspaper ..

 > >  Got blasted.  So called 'expert' said he can easily
 > > hold 5 hours at 7 weeks....
 > 
 > Oh right.. what a lark :)  Well, wait.. if you don't leave the dog and food 
 > water while you're gone, maybe the dog COULD hold it for 7 hours.. haha.. bu
 > who is going to leave their dog for 7 hours with NO WATER??.. I couldn't do
 > that to any of my animals..


Oh it was better,  Her idea was water puppy only at morning an night to
control peeing habits.  When i objected that this was (wanted to say cruel
but was trying to be nice then) 'not normal nor nice' I got reminded 'how
little I know about dogs and i should shut up and learn'.

 > Tell him to get a life (g). Bah.. you probably told him better than I could
 > have haha :)

Embeded 'click'.  Sadly they look like a help place til you ask for it. 
There are 3 main people there who wreck it and you cant get past them.  In
FIdonet, I would make the effort.  In Usenet, it's not worth the effort to
try.

I wish Fido still had a pet echo.  I'd me all over it just now.

  > OK thanks!  Meantime, all well.  Daisy now making simple forays out to the
 > > house in the daytime.  Just pokes her nose out then runs to the back of th
 > > sofa and settles for a few minutes.  Seems to be checking the house out fo
 > > bit.
 > 
 > Kitties are smart :)  They know when it's safe to invade the dog's territory
 > and when to steal the doggie's pillow, that kind of thing (grin).. we have t
 > one cat that likes to sit right in the middle of the hallway on the rug wher
 > she KNOWS the dogs have to walk to go anywhere in the house.. to water, to
 > food, to go out... just to make the dogs miserable.. she sits there and
 > twitches her tail.. like, "come on over here.. just for a second..." hahaha
 > 
 
Daisy as of yesterday, decided the top of the sofa is HERS so she can
distainfully look DOWN on Cash from 12 inches UP.

If Cash does not 'like it', he can leave the lower portion of the sofa than
you. <g>  So far, Cash just rolls over and wiggles his tail then back over
and sniffs then snores.


Saw her use him as a stepping stool to get all the way down.  I suspect he
knows his place <g>.  Cats rule, dogs drool.

                 xxcarol
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