Text 4035, 295 rader
Skriven 2008-03-20 00:07:18 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
   Kommentar till text 4029 av Carol Shenkenberger (10038.cooks)
Ärende: Dogs and food
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Hi Carol!

>> Hehe.. I'll try to get you that pile of recipes I promised in email soon :)
>> Just have to dig up the message I wrote to my NC for his doggie recently (gr

> Ok!  I'll be looking!

I just sent some, so hopefully you'll get them soon (grin)

>> Well, I think what they meant was they switched flavors of the same kind of
>> food all the time.. like if they bought Purina Adult Dog Food, it comes in
>> Chicken, Beef, Lamb, etc.  Switching between the different flavors won't
>> matter.. switching to another brand is different :)

> No, I think they swapped brands.  I didnt know that was a problem although I
> have heard that a pet raised on just one type, can get baulky at a shift.  If
> they are used to shifting, my cat experience is they actually kinda like the
> shift and get bored with the same brand too often.

> Dogs mind this?  I did not know.  I swaped to Eukanba (something like that)
> as what seemed reasonable priced and reasonable quality.
> Seems ok as far as you know?

I'm sure it's ok :)   and I don't know that they really mind it that much
(grin)... I've noticed my guys don't really much but labs are like that anyway
with their stomachs.. I mean labs have been known to eat the bedsprings out of
a bedframe and just eh.. pass it out (grin) so it's obviously not _always_ true
with every breed/type of dog :)  So maybe check with your vet - my vet long ago
used to tell me that the dog's gut didn't adjust as quickly to "new" foods as
we do.. just a couple days was needed in general to switch brands.. not that it
harmed them so much, but the dog might get diarhea, or upset stomach
otherwise.. that kind of thing.


>> Yes, normally it would be. When I run out of dog food, I give the labs here
>> couple of cups of rice with a couple of lbs. of whatever meat I have that I'
>> willing to part with :) :)  Sometimes I just throw in eggs and leftovers.. b
>> they love that one.. especially if it's got meatballs in it haha

> I mix a pedigree brand 13oz wet, 1/2 can each meal, with his dry kibble. When
> I dont, I use a bit of stock and now (vet said olive oil just like you!) to

:)

> the dry.  He looked over the dashi and said 1/4 cup is fine if he likes it.
> It's far lower sodium than most of the folks insist on using for 'canned
> broth'.

Yeah, would seem so :)

> Oh, Cash got in early yesterday withthe vet.  Don had to walk him up (about 2
> miles each way but nice weather).

That's a good walk :)  I envy your 70's :) :)


> Per vet, we and all others who have met him are right.  He is slightly
> underweight.  Not hugely.  He had not yet 'cleard out his breakfast' when
> weighted and came in at 34 lbs.  Vet says about 3 more slowly gained is
> right.  Also said, 1 cup (mixed like we are) and 1 cup at night (also mixed)
> and 6 'treat doggies biscuits' (vice our 3 broke in half) is right.  Tiny
> nibbles of other things are fine of low-salt or small bits of cheese.

yeah, those dog biscuits come in handy when they eat things that give them icky
breath.. haha.. not that my labs EVER do that Lol Seriously though, they are
great for helping the dogs keep their teeth clean.


> Also vet figured out left distal leg is *faintly* shorter and almost sure to
> be genetic which was one query (may not have posted here) trainer had to have
> his hips checked.  Nothing wrong.  Ttainer and hubby both right though, that

That's good!
We had a scare like that with Toby as well early on.. just some weird growth
pattern he had I think.. his legs just sit funny sometimes..

> wierd rib was probably broken and not set right and one other seems to have
> set outwards.  Neither rib causes him any apparent problems or pain. As his
> fat fills in, you wont see the inwards one at all.

That's really good to hear.. he almost sounds like he was in a car accident,
poor guy  :(

>> for all of you -  Let me know how it goes :)

> Will do!  Now if work hours do not change!

I hope they don't so you have plenty of time with him :)

>> might enjoy you brushing him a bit to help get that extra fur off :)  Even m
>> labs like that, as short-haired as labs look they still shed a lot of hair (

> I'm, hoping it thins down for his comfort.  I'm told most of this type 'shed'
> twice a year, and we are in the shed time pretty much soon.

Ok, you can look for a good dog brush or comb when you notice it starting...
that will help Cash cool off :)

>> > The first week, we wondered if he knew how to bark.  Now we've learned whe
>> > he feels 'cause' he can be very vocal indeedee <g>.
>>
>> Lol, I can just imagine :) :)

> Oh yeah!  Try, 2 count it _2_ dogs in heat across the street?  Life can be so

Oh :) :)

> much *fun*!  Did i mention yet he cant be neutered til May?  He is about 3?
> I'm actually pretty happy at how well behaved he is about it all ;-)

That's good :) :)  You don't want him taking off on you after women (laugh)

> It's totally fun!  They also set off the English Bulldogs.  Lady here raises
> a few for just regular level pet sort.  Not show brands, nor show prices.
> Just healthy happy ones.  Not a long lived breed, but a rather nice one.

They're the nicest breeders usually :)

> Anyways, they joined in then the shepards and the labs and lord knows what
> else.

Lol - well, everyone wants to be part of the gang I guess :)

> So off wanders Cash, nose in the AIR, instant celebrity <g>.

hehehe

> There is a hierarchy of barking!  I didnt know that!  Little yippy dogs dont
> count.  BIG BASS BAYYING OOWWWWOOOHHHHG!!! counts.

I didn't know that either.. that's funny!  I wonder where my silly guys fit in
around here? :) :)  I'll have to pay more attention to the howls around me :)

>> > The biggest problem with Cash is he wants to make friends with all the dog
>> > and until we have a clear from the vet on his heartworms, we do not allow
>> > that.  Once cleared though the neighbor's dog Technic and he will be fast
>> > friends <g..
>>
>> Yeah, I bet they sure will :)

> Got it yesterday.  Thick as thieves they are now.

Oh that's great.. how long do they get to horse around?  I think that is so
great.. I know how much fun Priscilla and Toby have haha

>> > So it seems to me.  You wouldnt believe the nitwits in the usenet newsgrou
>> Oh for gawd's sake.. what jerks.. but we knew that already, huh...

> Oh they got worse.  I dumped the group tonight.  Emailed the only sane person
> there and just left.  See, my neighbor has to pedigree english bulldogs and
> she lets them breed once a year.  This will be the 4th r 5th time (not sure
> other than last time) then sells them for a minimal extra cash as pet level
> puppies home raised inside her house (house trained, shots done, all that).
> I mentioned this to 'Jenn' as a side that we have a 2nd dog in heat and it's
> a paired set of the 'small but reputable sort' and they set their dogs on me!

Good grief :(

> I was suddenly responsible for every woe they had ever heard of, was esposing
> all their worst nightmares, and was a moron because i should roll over on by
> back in begging submission for forgiveness for having posted in their home
> turf.  (thats how they acted).  I wished them well and told them if they
> wanted more than 5 posts a day they needed newcommers and to not drive us all
> off.  I was the 4th I saw leave in a month, which is 80% of the newcommers.

Wow.. they do sound like one bunch of losers in that news group.. geez...

>> > The so called 'expert' is the worst of the lot.  Said to feed Cash no more
>> > than 1/4 cup in morning, 1/4 cup at night and no more than 1 dog biscuit a
>>
>> Oh man.. just starve the dog, why don't ya... I mean, when did she feed him
>> more than that?  god,  I cannot believe that one.

> Yup.  Flamed me as I didnt 'take advice well'.  Doc said, 2 cups a day for
> this dog at least for now and no less.

Exactly :)  You wonder if these people are just posting this garbage knowing
that it's plain wrong... just to be jerks..

>> > day.  Oh, and it didnt matter that Cash could *eat* a rawbone in 20 mins,
>> > to give 2 a day.  Good lord!  There's a reason why I watch the web pages o
>> > the more reputable ones for my info! You excepted, most of the other info
>> > been pretty bad stuff.
>>
>> Your best bet is your vet, and a good book if he can recommend one, or if no
>> one that someone who you trust recommends..  someone who's at least raised a
>> few dogs and knows the ins and outs of it all.. these people in the newsgrou
>> sound like a bunch of wannabee's.. how sad.

> What is so horrible, is they cal me a 'wannabe' for checking books and using
> the vet!  You I trust, you are sane.  They are on some wierd twisted 'power
> trip'.

They realy really sound warped, that is for sure!

> One is a 'professional trainer'.  Took me to task over english bulldogs and
> how little I knew.  Asked her if she had ever even seen one.  She had not,
> but took me to task for what I said when i have a mated pair across the
> street which is the summer gather spot for ouyr neighborhood and the 4-5
> other 'kids' of theirs are seen daily here so I have maybe 400 at *least*
>times of sitting for an hour or more with 3-4 of them, and she want to tell me
> I dont know anything about them?  This the same fool who says web pages are
> useless gained her secondary knowledge more useful than mine where?

Lol.. what a trip.. yes, I am glad you left that group in the dust where they
belong :) :)


> Grr.  Well, nuff said.  We all gotta rant sometimes <g>

Hey, I can understand it.. It horrible for them to even to be posting that
garbage where people might actually think they are saying something that is to
be believed.. all you can hope is that people realize how sick these jerks are.


>> > work.  I recommended either puppy pads or newspaper in the room he is left
>> > for that 5 hours as his bladder just cant hold it, then work outside train
>> > the rest of the time.
>>
>>
>> Exactly what I would have done.. newspaper for when the dog couldn't hold it
>> and back to training when I was around.. if a dog door was around with a gat
>> property, that's even better but if not, you deal with the newspaper ..

>> >  Got blasted.  So called 'expert' said he can easily
>> > hold 5 hours at 7 weeks....
>>
>> Oh right.. what a lark :)  Well, wait.. if you don't leave the dog and food
>> water while you're gone, maybe the dog COULD hold it for 7 hours.. haha.. bu
>> who is going to leave their dog for 7 hours with NO WATER??.. I couldn't do
>> that to any of my animals..


> Oh it was better,  Her idea was water puppy only at morning an night to
> control peeing habits.

That's pretty mean... :(  especially if you're giving the dog dry food.. and
even more so, if it's a puppy..

>  When i objected that this was (wanted to say cruel
> but was trying to be nice then) 'not normal nor nice' I got reminded 'how
> little I know about dogs and i should shut up and learn'.

Oh right Lol  How about common sense?  Guess they don't have that over in that
part of the country/world/whatever (G)

>> Tell him to get a life (g). Bah.. you probably told him better than I could
>> have haha :)

> Embeded 'click'.  Sadly they look like a help place til you ask for it.

Yeah, really sounds like it :(

> There are 3 main people there who wreck it and you cant get past them.  In
> FIdonet, I would make the effort.  In Usenet, it's not worth the effort to
> try.

I understand that one.

> I wish Fido still had a pet echo.  I'd me all over it just now.

We do have DOGHOUSE :)  C'mon over.. I post there sometimes :) There are a few
of us addicts there :)  All we need now is meow echo haha  I'd start one.. :)

>> she KNOWS the dogs have to walk to go anywhere in the house.. to water, to
>> food, to go out... just to make the dogs miserable.. she sits there and
>> twitches her tail.. like, "come on over here.. just for a second..." hahaha
>>

> Daisy as of yesterday, decided the top of the sofa is HERS so she can
> distainfully look DOWN on Cash from 12 inches UP.

Lol :)  My cat does that with Toby  sometimes.. she sits up there with her tail
swishing like crazy.. It makes you think she's thinking terrible thoughts like,
"how can I get him this time" haha.. she's totally black except for a little
white dot on her neck, and she's got 6 toes.. when she swats at Toby or
Priscilla, they're terrified of her Lol  I guess they can't figure those feet
hahaha

> If Cash does not 'like it', he can leave the lower portion of the sofa than
> you. <g>  So far, Cash just rolls over and wiggles his tail then back over
> and sniffs then snores.

Totally relaxed I guess :) :)

> Saw her use him as a stepping stool to get all the way down.  I suspect he
> knows his place <g>.  Cats rule, dogs drool.

Lol, that's it exactly :)

Take care,
Janis

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