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Skriven 2012-03-14 14:35:00 av Glen Jamieson
     Kommentar till en text av Michael Loo
Ärende: GOING TO PETALUMA 20314
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 -=> Quoting Michael Loo to Glen Jamieson <=-

 ML> I suppose here violence has the connotation of personal
 ML> violence, not accidental trauma.
 GJ> Being smashed by a speeding car is just as violent a death as being
 GJ> clubbed or stabbed.

 ML> the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened
 ML> or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a
 ML> group or community, that either results in or has a high
 ML> likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological
 ML> harm, maldevelopment or deprivation

 ML> - definition of violence in World Health Organization,
 ML> World Report on Violence and Health

The use of the word, "intentional" would restrict the meaning of
violence only to that which is inflicted, rather than what is
received.  In that case, the WHO definition would be incorrectly
applied.  Where considering the point of view of the recipient of the
violent, fatal trauma, whether it was intentional or accidental, it
would be equally just as violent.
 
 ML> After 65, the ratios do not change: the order goes cardiac, cancer,
 ML> chronic lung, stroke, Alzheimer's, diabetes, acute lung, kidney,
 ML> accidents, and septicemia. The first three account for over 50%;
 ML> the top ten account for over 80%.
 GJ> You do not mention suicide in that list, but I would have expected
 GJ> that voluntary euthanasia would have been included as such, whether
 GJ> legal or not.  Certainly it is a "way out" that I would seriously
 GJ> consider if I thought circumstances justified it.

 ML> Of course I don't mention suicide in that list, it's not in the
 ML> top ten, whereas it is in the top ten among some of the other
 ML> age groups.

As "assisting suicide" is a crime in many countries, anyone taking
part in such a termination would take steps to disguise it as
something else.  This would apply particularly to those medical staff
who are in the position to "assist", and also to cover it up with an
appropriate death certificate.  (Don't ask me how I know!)

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05
 
      Title: [ch] Aloo Gobi Of Death
 Categories: Chilies, Indian, Vegetables
      Yield: 4 servings
 
    1/8 c  Canola oil
      1 sm Onion,  diced
      1 bn Parsley or cilantro, roughly
           Chopped, divided
           Hot red chiles, minced
    1/2 lg Cauliflower, pulled into
           Lg florets, stalk coarsely
           Chopped
      2 md Potatoes, peeled and diced
      1 cn Mexican-style stewed
           Tomatoes
      1 sm Bunch mustard greens,
           Chopped or
    1/2 t  Black mustard seed
      2 ts Grated  fresh ginger
      2    Cloves garlic, chopped fine
      1 ts Turmeric
      1 ts Coriander seeds
           Salt and pepper
      1 ts Garam masala
 
  The objective here is to make a North Indian-style "dry"  stew,
  though the heat content of mine is much more like the soupier South
  Indian analog, which I'm told sometimes also adds some coconut.
  
  Heat oil in a deep skillet with cover or a heavy pot. When hot but not
  smoking, add coriander, and the cumin if using. Fry, stirring, till
  fragrant, about 1 minute. (If planning to use mustard seed and haven't
  tried frying it before).
  
  Add onion and fry till soft and golden.  Add turmeric and salt, and
  stir well.  Add chiles, tomatoes, potatoes, cauliflower, greens if
  using, ginger, garlic and half the parsley, plus a very little
  water--maybe  2 or 3 Tbsp.  Cover and simmer till potatoes are done,
  maybe 15-20 minutes, stirring fairly often  and adding a dab of water
  if needed to prevent stickling.
  
  If nearly all  the liquid isn't gone when the 'taters are done,
  uncover and give  it another few minutes, stirring often.
  
  Just before serving, stir in garam masala  and black pepper, adjust
  salt, dish up, and top with remaining parsley.  If possible,  let sit
  awhile before serving, since it's best  when warm,  not really hot.
  Serve with pita, Wonderful the next day, and will freeze okay.
  
  Tossing in a couple Tbsp.  of  golden raisins when you add the
  veggies is lily-gilding, but authentic and good.
  
  Rain
  From: Bluezinnia
 
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