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Skriven 2007-04-24 12:57:52 av Aleksej R. Serdyukov (2:5020/1042.42)
   Kommentar till text 1784 av Carol Shenkenberger (6:757/1)
Ärende: Cooking terms are universal?
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22 Apr 07 10:14:38, Carol Shenkenberger -> Aleksej R. Serdyukov:

ARS>> Here in Moscow, "pyeryets" is peppercorn (put in things like
ARS>> soup), re pod (sweet-tasting), or red hot pepper.

CS> Your 'peppercorn' would match a general USA/Canada concept for just
CS> the word 'pepper' when used.  Being aware of this sort of confusion,
CS> many recipes get specific and say 'black pepper' to mean ground
CS> peppercorn.

Oh, yep, recipes and packs with it say "black pepper" (chyornyi pyeryets).
Something makes me think there is a green kind, too. But no Internet access
(Bad, bad ISP! For the day when there is to be a biweekly Mozilla QA conference
that has just been moved because of me! They've just said that the estimated
repair date April, 29th... There is still hope that they fix is before then,
but it's Tuesdays and Fridays that I need most...)*
now, so can't check. <g>

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readability.

CS> There's a good chance you have encountered the dish 'chili' someplace
CS> even if you've never eaten it.

It was/is a popular word to use in ketchup/sauce titles, at least.

CS> Just like there's a good chance you've heard of 'peanut butter' but may
CS> never have seen it.

Probably only in English, but maybe in Russian, too. But yes, I think I've
never seen it.

ARS>> Oh, cream cannot be translated into Russian well; there is the
ARS>> word "k but it's definitely not sour cream, whatever it is. :)
ARS>> "Krem" is what is used on cakes, for example; or a
ARS>> similar-feeling substance used med

CS> Krem from how you say it, is very well similar to the various uses of
CS> the word 'cream' which is more of a consistancy of a product and may
CS> not be a food item. Confusing eh?

Especially when it's a solid substance! That one is exceedingly sweet, though.
But that could just be how my grandmother makes it.

CS> Cream in 'english' this time refers to a milk based product.  The top
CS> layer or natural milk that comes to the top and is thicker, which may
CS> be turned into butter,

slivki ("something that has been poured off of/from something")

CS> or let go sour for 'sour cream',

smyetana

CS> Classic 'Ice Cream' is fresh cream with sugar and fruit added, then
CS> frozen.

morozhenoye ("frozen"/"such that was being frozen before")

Not sure if it wasn't called some word taken directly from English long ago.

CS>> Biscuit can be another one.  TO a USA person, its a soft fluffy
CS>> bread made of flour and shortening (fat) with a little milk.  To a
CS>> British person, its a hard cookie with sugar.  To an OZ person,
CS>> it's a hard cracker with no sugar normally at all but lots of
CS>> salt.
ARS>> Definitely not salt here. :) I think I've heard something about
ARS>> someth salty...

CS> Hehehehe.  One of the more confusing ones and very easy to trip over
CS> without realizing it.  I think I even got the type a bit wrong above.
CS> Could be I reversed OZ and England uses there.

Hm. I have had a wrong impression of what biscuit was...
Probably, each of the definitions works in Russian. :)
A salty flat round cookie is called "cracker" here. Well, that's one of the
words, at least.
Cookie(s0 - pyechenye.

[olive]

CS> Because the normal thought is the salty-brined ones, you will not see
CS> very many 'olive salad' mentions from USA/Canada people.  They would
CS> be too salty to make an actual salad of, though they may be 'added to
CS> a salad'.

I think I've eaten green ones recently, and they were probably a bit salty. I
didn't really notice that, though. Maybe that was just their own taste.

CS> Oh, I'll add 'Salad' as another one that can be misleading.  Most
CS> (almost all) the time when a USA speaker says 'salad' they mean a
CS> green leafy thing with other vegetables and possibly some chopped up
CS> meat, covered with a 'dressing'. People outside the USA use the term
CS> much more loosely to mean a far wider variety of things.

SalAt: a green leafy thing (lettuce and maybe some other plants like that) OR
chopped up stuff containing maybe anything possible, not necessarily anything
green.

[olive/maslina]

CS> It was served with vinigar and feta cheese lumps with some raw red

Ah, the abovementioned green olives likely were in vinegar and not salty. Are
those mutually-exclusive, though? ;)

Good luck.
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