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Skriven 2005-09-28 00:23:08 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
  Kommentar till text 13286 av Michiel Van Der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Re: Cell phone cost
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 -=> On 09-27-05  11:03,  Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Cell phone cost <=-

 >   Since that system takes a full backbone feed, I think it
 > means a lot more than guesses pulled out of your hair.

 MVDV> You surprise and disappoint me.

    OTOH, you are acting exactly as one might predict.

 MVDV> I hadn't expected this kind of tunnel
 MVDV> vision  from you. Surely - in face of what the nodelist tells us - 
 MVDV> you do not believe that the Z1 backbone statistics are in 
 MVDV> any way representative for the whole of FidoNet?

  The statistics are not just Z1 Backbone -- and they represent what
  they are, namely the volume of echomail widely available
  internationally.

 MVDV>> There is lots of International echomail that does not pass there.
 
 >   Such as?

 MVDV> The three echos I moderatoe for starters. They are not on 
 MVDV> the Z1 backbone and hence do not appear in those statistics.

   What are the echos you moderate? Where are they distributed?  Not
   everything listed there is on the Z1 Backbone.  He pulls from a lot
   of other areas.   Also, there are many RU echos available from Z1.

 MVDV>> International Fidonet echomail is a lot bigger than what
 MVDV>> the statistics suggest. They just show the tip of the
 MVDV>> iceberg.
 
 >   Really -- then show some statistics that overwhelm those.
 > You are basing your claim on direct observation aren't you?
 > Present your evidence if you want to be believed.

 MVDV> No thanks,

  As expected.

 MVDV>  I am getting tired of doing legwork to correct
 MVDV> your Z1 tunnel vision.

  How can you be tired of doing what you have never done?

 >   Certainly there are parts of fidonet not included in those
 > statistics. The reason they are not included is because they are
 > regional or local echos -- not international ones.  How big
 > they are can only be conjectured until someone produces some data.

 MVDV> Oh, c'mon. Have a look at the nodelist. The native Russian 
 MVDV> speaking sysops overwhelm the others by a at least 10 to 1. 

  And your point is?   Do those sysops participate in internationally
  distributed echomail?

 MVDV> You don't really believe that's all nodelist stuffing or
 MVDV> that participation per listed system is so low that this 
 MVDV> ten to one majority means nothing?

  My discussion has nothing to do with the number of nodes anywhere.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)



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