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Skriven 2005-11-25 17:31:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ALEX SHAKHAYLO
Ärende: Laggards
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-=> Quoting Alex Shakhaylo to Frank Scheidt <=-

 FS>>> So when do you Europeans plan standing up and helping instead of
 FS>>> merely sitting and watching *us* do your work?
 
 AS>>> Well. What you, personally, do ? I'm ready to do the same !
 
 FS>> I'm paying taxes to support our troops.  I'm glad you now offer
 FS>> to send money to our gummint.
 
 AS>> The moment I take a profit from your economy I'll pay a taxes to
 AS>> your gummint. I hope your gammit doesn't need my personal
 AS>> philanthropy ?
 
 FS> Wait!  You *promised* (see above)!!!  Do promises mean *nothing*
 FS> to you?

 AS> I do the same. I pay taxes to my gommint. If I start to pay my taxes
 AS> to your gammint it will not be the same, it will be insanity. But if
 AS> you start to pay taxes to my gummint, I'll be forced to pay it to
 AS> yourth to fulfil my promise ! So ?

OK, you're excused ...
 
 AS>>> You never won WW2, you just had profited from it ..
 
 FS>> Huh?  The US won WWII with only a modicum of help from other
 FS>> nations.
 
 AS>> It's a fairy tale.
 
 FS> In a sense, yes.  It seems almost too good to be true, but it
 FS> *is* true.  Read any history book.

 AS> I read them a lot. But books are nothing in a sense of a proof.
 AS> Figures and fact are the proof. And figures say your troops
 AS> defeated too little to be regarded as a winner. Though, your
 AS> economy apeared to be a winner due to a lucky conditions.
 
Since I was in the Army during WWII and studied all news items 
WRT that war very carefully I *know* what went on ...

 FS>> If we hadn't stepped in you'd be speaking German (or
 FS>> Japanese) by now.
 
 AS>> It's another fairy tale. But it is possible that you'd speak
 AS>> Japan if Germany helped Japan instead of making a big mistake
 AS>> to invade Russia.
 
 FS> That was a mistake -- however it was kind of good, seeing two
 FS> bloody tyrants, Hitler and Stalin, going for each other's
 FS> throats!

 AS> Yep. But when I think of the millions of innocent victims I wince.

That's why war is *evil* -- too many innocents get killed or 
injured.

 AS> Your 9/11 is just a nursery toy comparing to that, but you've made
 AS> world wide buzz about it, nevertheless. Think of it as of kind of
 AS> a good. After all it allowed to create new work places !
 
That's probably considered a proper feeling in Russia I suppose?

 AS>>> Look at this map and show me there how much fascists
 AS>>> your troops destroyed.
 
 AS>>> http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/ww2-loss.htm
 
 FS>> I don't see any map.  And as I've mentioned many times I use a
 FS>> DOS-based off-line reader so I cannot simply cut and paste the
 FS>> website shown ...
 
 AS>> It's a pity. You cannot afford yourself modern software ? For
 AS>> some $1500 you can buy pretty nice notebook with IE preinstalled.
 AS>> Just try, I'm sure you will enjoy it.
 
 FS> I *have* Internet Explorer installed on all three of my
 FS> computers.  However I'm using BlueWave which was the very best
 FS> off-line reader of the early 1990s.  And it happens to be
 FS> DOS-based.  As the saying goes, "If it aint broke don't fix
 FS> it!"

 AS> Incredible. 21th century and the problems with cut&paste. 

I have no problem whatsoever with cut & paste as I do it a lot in 
my writing.  It's just that BlueWave is a DOS-based off-line 
reader, a very *good* reader so I stick with it when dealing with 
FidoNet.

 AS> I have just nothing to say. 

Would that were true ... heh heh heh ...

 AS> The more I hear you the more I get astonished
 AS> with the things you enjoy. 

Live and learn ... this is a modern world you should try to keep 
up.

 AS> Where from had you got this crazy idea
 AS> that anybody else could envy your enjoings ?

"Envy"?  Who said anything about envy?   Are you talking about 
BlueWave or something else?
 
 FS>> besides the total number of enemy troops killed
 FS>> isn't of much importance.  What *is* important is who *won*.  And
 FS>> *we* won!!
 
 AS>> OK. You may think whatever you wish. Just be aware, that outside
 AS>> US you have nobody to share your enjoyment from this silly idea.
 AS>> A war is won by a side that destroyed the most enemies. This is
 AS>> how it is considered here. It seems you consider a war is won
 AS>> by those, who are louder crying.

You have a funny idea of who is the victor in a war.  It's 
actually quite simple and doesn't involve the number of soldiers 
killed at all.  The *victor* is the one who accepted the 
surrender of the other side.  Germany *surrendered* to us, hence 
we were the victors.  Is that too difficult to understand.
 
 FS> Oh?  Since the Nazis killed far more Russians than the Russians
 FS> killed Germans is Germany considered the victor of the
 FS> German/Russian war??

 AS> No. It is because Russians killed an order more Nazis then you did.
 AS> All the best German troops were thrown to the East battle-front. And
 AS> there they found their end. Your way to Berlin was just a carpet
 AS> runner. 

Re-read what I said above ... [sigh] ...

 AS> I think we will not count Hiroshima and Nagasaki that were just a
 AS> cold blood omnicide of a civilian population without any real need.

Huh?  Where did you get *that* weird idea??  By dropping those 
bombs we probably saved at *least* one million lives.  Doesn't 
that mean anything to you -- the massive saving of *lives*?!?!
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