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Skriven 2005-12-02 09:51:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST
Ärende: Sociopaths!
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-=> Quoting Michiel Van Der Vlist to Frank Scheidt <=-

 >>> who had done *nothing* to them.  If they felt someone had
 >>> mistreated them horribly why didn't they hit *those* people??

 MVDV>>> Hitting the people that *they* felt had mistreated them
 MVDV>>> horrible is exactly what they did Frank....
 
 >> I'd be willing to bet that the terrorists in those planes didn't know
 >> even one single person in the Twin Towers as they murdered them!

 MVDV>> Since those freedom fighters are all dead, we can not ask them so
 MVDV>> there is no way to determine who will win this bet should I take it.
 
 > *What* "freedom fighters"?

 MVDV> You know who we are talking about.

It seems you look upon murderers with some affection ...
 
 > Try to stay focussed. We're talking about the terrorists who murdered

 MVDV> Terrorist or freedom fighter, it is all a matter of perspective. Just
 MVDV> as "murder" or "collateral damage". In the end it is those who write
 MVDV> the history books that say which is what.
 
Not so.  A terrorist is one who is trying to terrorize a mass of 
people through his terrible actions.  A freedom fighter, OTOH, is 
fighting an *enemy* to achieve freedom for his people.  There's 
no way one could look upon the murderers who killed three 
thousand innocent people that way!  It was done *deliberately* 
for no adequate reason which makes it murder.

 > thousands of innocent people in the Twin Towers.

 MVDV> In a true democracy there are no innocent people. Every voter bears
 MVDV> responsibility for the results of the choices he/she made. The people
 MVDV> are an accomplice in the acts committed by their leaders.

So you are admitting the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki *were* 
guilty!  I had never looked upon it that way, considering only 
the military objectives of the bombing.  Actually I never really 
considered the people there to be truly *guilty* -- only unlucky.

 MVDV> 9/11 is something that the USA brought onto itself. The people of the
 MVDV> USA were not innocent bystanders in the chain of events that led up to
 MVDV> it. 

What was the "chain of events" as you see it?  Or do you fear 
I'll demolish it?  ... heh heh heh ...

 MVDV>> One does not have to personally know someone to feel that one
 MVDV>> has been horribly mistreated by him/her.
 
 > One then should make *certain* a given person *has* mistreated
 > one before one attacks that given person.

 MVDV> I am sure the people who took revenge against the USA by destroying
 MVDV> the twin towers were just as sure of their case as you are when you
 MVDV> claim the war against Iraq is justified...

Merely "believing" something doesn't make it *true*!  Facts 
remain facts despite beliefs.  The flat earth idea is a good 
example.

 MVDV>> My guess is that the pilots of the bombers who dropped the bombs on
 MVDV>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not know anyone in those cities either...
 
 > That was war and those heroes

 MVDV> Throwing a weapon of mass destruction from the safety of an aircraft
 MVDV> at altitude and speed is not an act of heroism.
 
It was an act of heroism because they didn't know if the bomb 
would explode in such a way as to kill the plane's crew!

 > were bombing military targets.

 MVDV> Military targets my foot! The vast majority of the people in Hiroshima
 MVDV> and Nagasaki were civilians that had done nothing to deserve to be
 MVDV> brutally murdered and maimed by a weapon of mass destruction.

They were collateral damage -- unlucky to be in the wrong place 
at the wrong time!
 
 > The terrorists who killed the innocent people of the Twin Towers
 > were simply murderers.  See the difference now??

 MVDV> No. What I see is that you refuse to look at it from the POV of the
 MVDV> other side. Try it and maybe you will see the light.

I *will* if you'll list your mysterious "chain of events" ... 
[sigh] ...
 MVDV> Cheers, Michiel

 MVDV> -!-
 MVDV>  ! Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555)



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