Text 18656, 126 rader
Skriven 2005-12-14 12:09:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 18642 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
Ärende: [2/2] [1/2] Sociopaths!
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 >>> Not so.  The fact of the matter is that WMDs weren't *found* in Iraq.

 MVDV>>> And the reason they were not found is that they were not
 MVDV>>> there to begin with.
 >
 >> You cannot know that.

 MVDV>> Everything points to it.

 > Not *everything*, just evidence *you* want to consider ...

There is nothing else to consider. I have not seen evidence for the presence of
WMD's in Iraq.

 >> All you can be *certain* of is that they haven't been found.

 MVDV>> Not even that... Someone may have found some and kept
 MVDV>> his mouth shut....

 > True enough ... even now some might be in the hands of the
 > insurgents murdering fellow Iraqis and American troops.

All assuming that they were actually there.

 MVDV>> It is the other way around. You can not believe that your president
 MVDV>> lied to you. And so you keep coming up with these incredible scenarios.
 >
 > The reason I believe GWB did *not* lie to us is because *I*
 > know what the word "lie" means and I know GWB had a lot of evidence

How do you know he had a lot of evidence? Did you see any of it?

 > (from five different nations) that WMDs *did* exist in Iraq
 > prior to our invasion.  The really *scary* thing is this:
 > Where are they?  What happened to them?

Just a few messages ago you said the US had made the world a safer place by
removing the threat of Saddam's WMD'. Now you imply the threat still exists.

 >>> The evidence GWB had at the time showed Saddam
 >>> Hussein was a threat and that he *had* WMDs at the time.

 MVDV>>> GWB had no evidence. He lied when he said he had proof.
 >
 >> He didn't lie.  The intelligence services of *five* nations
 >> indicated the presence of WMDs in Iraq.

 MVDV>> Name them.

 > Gladly, (1)  The US of course, (2) The United Kingdom, (3)
 > Russia, (4) Egypt, and (5) Jordan.  Were they *all* liars?!?!?

The UK? Strange *they* say they based their convictions on *other* sources,
mainly US sources.

Russia? What I seem to recall is that they said they did NOT think there was
real evidence.

Egypt and Jordan? I think we need not discuss the credibility of those two.

 MVDV>>> If he really had proof, why was it never published?
 >
 >> Ask him.  I'm not in the inner loop her ...

 MVDV>> Can't you see it? No one likes to go down in history as
 MVDV>> a liar. And that is what WILL happen unless he comes up
 MVDV>> with some *real* proof that there were WMD's in Iraq
 MVDV>> shortly before the invasion.

 > GWB's administration has three years to go.  That's plenty of
 > time to neaten things out and present the evidence to the
 > American people.

You don't really believe that do you?

 MVDV>> If he really had proof, he would have shown enough of it to
 MVDV>> convince the rest of the world. He didn't. Ergo conclusio,
 MVDV>> he lied when he said he had proof.

 > Since your premise is false your "Ergo" vanishes ...

What premise?

 MVDV>> Face it Frank, you were led to believe there were WMD's in
 MVDV>> Iraq because your president thought that was needed to get
 MVDV>> the support of the US people for the invasion.

 > Actually only GWB knows what he "thought".  I wouldn't pretend
 > to know.

Do you not posses the power of deduction?

 >>> Where they are *now* is a good question.  Bush wisely made a
 >>> preemptive strike to defend us.

 MVDV>>> Bush made a grave mistake. He will go down in history as a war monger,
 MVDV>>> a liar and the leader who initiated the fall of the US empire.

He gambled on finding *something* that would justify his claims that there were
WMD's. He gambled wrong. he found nothing, nada zilch.

 >> I wonder what you'll be saying, say five or ten years from now

 MVDV>> Probably the same; using the past tense...

 > I'll wait ...

That's what the Bush defenders said before the invasion: "wait and see what
will be uncovered when we get free access to all places." Well we waited. And
waited... and waited.... Nothing was uncovered.

Most of these Bush defenders have gone silent with regards to the WMD issue.
They know they'v lost. Only a very few diehards like you and Roy Witt still
maintain that there were WMD's in Iraq shortly before the invasion.

And you know what Frank? I have difficulty believing that you actually believe
everything you write. You are an intelligent man, way above average I'd say.
Your debating techniques are good, very good. I suspect you don't really
believe their were WMD's in Iraq. You are just taking that position so that you
can have something to hone your debating skills. You love to debate and so you
take a position that is guaranteed to evoke some serious response.

Cheers, Michiel

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