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Skriven 2006-01-04 16:14:38 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
  Kommentar till text 20978 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Editor's censorship
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04 Jan 06 14:01, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:


 >>>> You must have a piss poor browzer. That link is very obvious.

 MvdV>>> It is not obvious at all. Only if you happen to stumble with the
 MvdV>>> mouse pointer over the area in question would one notice there is
 MvdV>>> a link at all.

 >> To a seasoned WWW browzer (person), that link is obvious. It's
 >> there for more than decoration.

 MvdV> How would you know that without previous information?

See where it says 'seasoned WWW browzer (person)' - that would be me. I've
been surfing the net since 1993-94...before there was any windoz to work
with (at least on my computers).

 >> Even the curiosity of the casual user will see it
 >> and wonder what it's for. Running your mouse cursor over the
 >> PI will show you the URL of the secret files (espeically if
 >> you're using IE).

 MvdV> Yes, but why would a casual user move his mouse cursor of the pi?

Because it's there. Hidden links are all over websites on the web.

 >> Not to mention, good browzers (software) have the ability to
 >> look at the source of the site.

 MvdV> Again: why would anyone other than a student of HTML look at the
 MvdV> source?

Because they can.

 >> This alone tells you it's there for a reason.

 MvdV> Ask how many have found it without having been tipped.

I found it and didn't need a tip. In fact, I think I'm the originator of
how to find that link.

 >> <H1 align=right><A href="S*CRET.HTM">&pi;</A><H1>

 >> Combine the 's*cret.htm' with the web sites URL and wallah,
 >> you're in.

 >> http://www.felten.yi.org/s*cret.htm

 MvdV> Ideed, that was an easy hack was it?

It isn't a hack, it's merely a copy of the line in the source.

 MvdV> But a hack nevertheless.

Anyone can extract that line from the source. No hacking required. Find a
real web browzer and you too will be able to do it.

 MvdV> The law says nothing about it having to be difficult. An easy crack
 MvdV> is a crack just the same.

If it were a crack. It isn't...

 MvdV>>>>> It seems to me that is is *you* who is breaking the law.
 MvdV>>>>> Publishing cracks to bypass a copy protection is illegal.
 >>>> No one has published any cracks. That link is provided by the
 >>>> Felon.
 MvdV>>> No. The link is hidden. Ross is providing information to find it.
 >> No, the link is in plain view, on the page and in the source.
 MvdV> No, it is not, it is hidden.

Yes it is in plain site. Especially if you're using IE. It'll even spell
out the complete address for you.

 MvdV> It doesn;t matter that *you* think it is easy to find. What matters
 MvdV> is if Swedish law considers it sufficiently hidden. Apparently they
 MvdV> do.

Then it's not a hack or a crack, is it.

 >> Anyone can find it just by visiting the site, without someone telling
 >> them exactly where to look.

 MvdV> Hpow many *did* find it wthout knowing in advance there was
 MvdV> anything at all to find?

Don't know. Ask the Felon, he has a web tracker on that site.

 MvdV>>>>> At least in The Netherlands. And possibly in Sweden and the
 MvdV>>>>> USA as well. You published such a crack by making public the
 MvdV>>>>> url to the directory where the music can be downloaded.
 >>>> It's no crime to publish a link that is on the site.
 MvdV>>> It is if it is hidden abnd not meant to be published.
 >> Bullshit. You lie like the Dossche, when it's convenient to
 >> your purposes.

 MvdV> No bullshit.

All bullshit.

 MvdV> Hop on a plane, come to the Netherlands and we will see how you
 MvdV> defence holds in a court of law.

Fuck that pissant little 3rd world country...nobody wants to visit there
on purpose.

 MvdV>>>>> It is not Björn who makes it available for download, it is
 MvdV>>>>> *you*
 >>>> Wrong...it's his site and he provides the material.
 MvdV>>> BTW, how do you know that that hidden link leads to a page where
 MvdV>>> the material can indeed be downloaded? Did you successfully
 MvdV>>> download one of the movies or MP3's that you claim are there?
 >> I was playing those MP3's all day yesterday. That's not a crime,

 MvdV> That depends on how you got those MP3's. If you had them from a
 MvdV> legal source, it is ok. If you had them from Björn's site it is a
 MvdV> crime.

No it isn't.

 MvdV> Or so those experts in US law tell me. Downloading is illega
 MvdV> in the USA.

I didn't download them, I just played his.

 >> I'm listening to his collection. There's no way to download the
 >> files.

 MvdV> If you listened to them, you HAVE downloaded them. How else can
 MvdV> your media player play them?

Ask Apple computer about their Quicktime Player, it plays his files ...
there's no downloading involved. There are no remnants of those files on
my computer.

 MvdV> You obviously do not know the difference bertween downloading and
 MvdV> saving.

LOL! And I'll bet you don't either.

 >> On the page with the list of MP3s, there is this (below),
 >> which tells you that these files are playable.

 MvdV> No, it does not tell you they are playable, it is just a list of
 MvdV> what he has on his system. Somewhere...

Had you ever been there, you'd know differently.

 >> But, you won't find a link to anything listed there,

 MvdV> Exactly. No link to where they actually are.

But you'll find the link to where they actually are, on that page. It's
easy to find. Even you could do it if you go there.

 >> until you click on the only thing on the page with a link, the p*.

 MvdV> And so they are hidden.

No, they're in plain view.

 >> So much for needing a password...

 MvdV> Who says a password is required to for "sufficient protection"?

You did. They're password protected, those are your words. No one else has
said they were.

 >> 2555 tracks in playlist, average track length: 3:43
 >> Estimated playlist length: 158 hours 51 minutes 24 seconds
 >> (1 track of unknown length)

 MvdV> Yes. Your point?

Tells you how many files are playable (playlist).

 >>>> You dumb fuck. The link is embedded in this message. You won't
 >>>> be able to extract it until it's already on your computer.
 MvdV>>> Having the link on my computer is not a problem. It is publishing
 MvdV>>> it that could be an offence. Hence the editing.
 >> The link is being published here, as you read this. It's up
 >> there. ^Sue me.
 MvdV> Hop on a plane, come to The Netherlands and I will gladly escort
 MvdV> you to a DA to confess to your crimes.

See above where it says 'pissant'...

 MvdV>>>>> There is also music from Dutch artists to be downloaded at that
 MvdV>>>>> subpage. Better stay away from the Netherlands for a while...
 >>>> Nobody is interested in that pissant little backwards country.
 MvdV>>> Hmmm, your president seems to think otherwise. He was here this
 MvdV>>> spring to visit some graves.
 >> Were they Dutch graves?
 MvdV> Of course. Margraten is in The Netherlands.
 >>>> You shut up. You're now as guilty as the Felon...
 MvdV>>> Please elaborate. What am I guilty of?
 >> Being an asshole, a liar, an asshole, and a liar.
 MvdV> Please provide proof.

Look in the mirror...you'll see an asshole...and a liar.


Roy
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