Text 22606, 76 rader
Skriven 2006-01-17 09:57:28 av Carol Shenkenberger (1:261/1466.0)
  Kommentar till text 22191 av Frank Scheidt (1:123/140)
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FS>OK, while your experience may well be more varied than mine,
FS>there *is* an advantage in talking with technically-trained
FS>foreigners -- we have a common basis in that background at least

There is always interest in 'talking tech' but that isnt all there is as
you know.

FS> CS> If a Japanese person in a crowd pushed you aside to get around you,
FS> CS> you'd  probably think they were rude.  Thats not the case though.
FS> CS> 'Hand chopping in  air up and down' Summimasen (phonetic) 'please
FS> CS> excuse'.  In a crowed land, this
FS> CS> is the polite behavior of one who is in a rush and never used unless
FS> CS> it's  really needed (like, catching a flight and running late etc).

FS>If for some reason I were to move to Japan for an extensive visit
FS>you can be certain I'd keep fairly quiet and *very* observant.
FS>If the visit were to be open-ended, possibly for years, I'd soon
FS>start to *try* to learn the language.

Same here but I am at sea so much, it's not fluent at all.  I can get by
well enough for all needs I have here in Japan.

FS> CS> are not, or 'less  efficient' that are accepted here.  Paying bills is
FS> CS> the first one that hits  Americans as the system is very very
FS> CS> different.  Japanese do not use checks and
FS> CS> they dont accept payments by mail for most things even if you want to
FS> CS> mail  cash (which they do not do).  You take the bill mailed to you to
FS> CS> the site and  pay in person, in cash.  A few things can be paid at

FS>That *is* unexpected.  The Japanese are very advanced
FS>technologically.  I'd expect them to be paying bills on the
FS>Internet or something like that.

Some can be but much can not.  Automatic payments from your account are
possible for some things and not others.  Assumptions can be very wrong
and so some things turn out easier and others less so.

 FS> CS> On the upside, some things are alot easier.  Kerosine
to your doorstep

FS>Hmmmmmm ... I've *never* wanted kerosene on my doorstep ... heh

It's cold here and many places have only kerosine heat.  Electricity is
expensive here.  Kerosine is fairly cheap.

FS> FS> However I'll bet I've met more foreigners who are able to
FS> FS> communicate more articulately than the average which *you* meet.

FS> CS> Which is why I have learned more at least in part.

FS>Huh?  How can you learn more from one who does *not* communicate
FS>articulately?

The people you talk with know english quite well.  That means in
addition to learning the language, they learned much of your cultural
expectations and 'rules of behavior'.  You wont see the simpler 'utter
confusion' with a crosscultural exchange.  Non-verbal sometimes, but
very informative.  Hard to explain though perhaps one of the others can
try.  I just dont know how to say it so it will make sense to you.

FS>Each of us has different experience.  Each of us is "superior" in
FS>some respect, inferior in others.  As I've pointed out, I can be
FS>classified as an American Nationalist.  People who do things
FS>which can harm this nation draw my attention.  And that "harm"
FS>can be largely talk ... I suspect that you are so well-travelled

BTW, you will have to break your messages for me.  It truncated here and
I have no idea what the rest may have been.  My OLR at sea has size
limits.  I can guess the rest but best to be sure?
                            xxcarol

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