Text 25386, 103 rader
Skriven 2006-02-12 15:24:04 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
  Kommentar till text 25376 av Michiel Van Der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Re: This echo...
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 -=> On 02-12-06  14:17,  Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about This echo... <=-

 MVDV> I remembered his name: Peter Witschi.

  Sounds right.  I remembered Peter.

 MVDV>> If there is any anti zonal feelings involved, it is (was?)
 MVDV>> anti Z2 feelings by Z1 sysops.
 
 >   It was not anti-Z2 feelings, but economics and/or security.
 > Updates to the Elist was done by direct netmail in most cases. A
 > phone call within zone 1 was a lot cheaper than a phone call to
 > Europe.

 MVDV> I know that was one of the reasons given, but I don't buy 

  For many of us, it was the primary if not the only reason.  At the
  time I had no reason to suspect ill will on the part of Z2 sysops.

 MVDV> that. calling from the US to Europe may be more expensive
 MVDV> than calling long distance within the US, but it is not all 
 MVDV> that more expensive.

  How about 10 to 1 in cost?   At the time, an interstate call cost me
  about 10 cents per minute, but a call to Europe was more than $1.00
  per minute.  Now with my ATT calling card, a call within CONUS is 3
  cents per minute and a call to Germany is 15 to 21 cents per minute.

 MVDV> Anyewy, if it is true it is a very selfish reason. Wherever 
 MVDV> the e-list is maintained, the majority of moderators have 
 MVDV> to make intercontinental calls if they wish to deliver the 
 MVDV> data by direct mail.

  Why would that be?  The zone 1 people would call the list maintained
  in zone 1, the zone 2 people would call the list maintained in zone 2.
  The two lists would continue to be merged as they had been before
  Adrian pulled out.  If there were any international echos in other
  zones, they could also join into the merger.
 
 >  Routed netmail of messages containing the password for the echo was
 > not considered secure enough.

 MVDV> That could heve been solved by using encryption.
 
  Which is forbidden in some circles.   And awkward to set up for the
  masses.  And not programmed for.  And against policy for routed
  netmail unless done via special links who have given explicit
  permission to route encrypted traffic.

 > It was for reasons that many zone 1 moderators objected to the
 > cessation of updating the Elist via a zone 1 Elist keeper.

 MVDV> I can not shred the suspicion that they just wanted the e-
 MVDV> list to remain in Z1.

   For the reasons I stated, they wanted the updates of echos for
   moderators in zone 1 to go to a zone 1 elist keeper.   That was, and
   still is, the majority of the moderators of intercontinentally
   distributed echos.

 MVDV> Whatever the reasons, the point is that they rejected the
 MVDV> merged Z1-Z2 list and so torpedoed any attempt to come to a 
 MVDV> glbal list and by doing that, they made Thom's list a Z1 
 MVDV> list.
 
  They did not reject the concept of a merged z1-z2 list.  They asked
  for it to continue.

 >   Since then, the person who had been maintaining the Z2
 > portion of the Elist at first refused to merge with Thom's Elist

 MVDV> I am not aware that ever being offered.

  Then you were not there where it was discussed.

 > and then later simply withdrew for maintaining a list at all.

 MVDV> Yes, he got tired of the political games and stepped down. 
 MVDV> Tjere was no successor.
 
  Sounds like -- "you won't play the way I want, so I'm taking my ball
  and leaving the playground in a snit".

 > That left the list maintained by Thom as the only possible choice
 > for those who wanted to list internationally distributed echos.

  Which was not Thom's fault.  It was Peter's fault.

 MVDV> Nonsence. Many choose to just not have their echo's listed.

  Whatever.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)
                              

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