Text 25681, 125 rader
Skriven 2006-02-19 00:13:00 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
  Kommentar till text 25638 av Michiel Van Der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Re: This echo...
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 -=> On 02-18-06  12:36,  Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
  -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about This echo... <=-

 > At the time, an interstate call cost me about 10 cents per minute,
 > but a call to Europe was more than $1.00 per minute.

 MVDV> Even if that is true, how long does it take to transmit the
 MVDV> information> 30 seconds? So it staill only costs a Dollar a
 MVDV> year. Big deal.

   You are off by an order of magnitude.   If calls cost a dollar per
   minute, then it would have cost me at least $12 per year, not $1.
   Doesn't matter if the call takes 10 seconds, the minimum charge is
   one minute.  I update every month.   In any case, it would have been
   an unnecessary cost.

 MVDV>> Anyewy, if it is true it is a very selfish reason. Wherever
 MVDV>> the e-list is maintained, the majority of moderators have
 MVDV>> to make intercontinental calls if they wish to deliver the
 MVDV>> data by direct mail.

 >   Why would that be?

 MVDV> Some one wil have to make the call.

 > The zone 1 people would call the list maintained in zone 1,
 > the zone 2 people would call the list maintained in zone 2.
 >   The two lists would continue to be merged

 MVDV> And who would pay for the cost of making the calls to keep the lists
 MVDV> in sync?

  The list keepers could easily have done that with one call, or via
  internet transfer.  You are grasping for straws to support your
  untenable position.

 >>  Routed netmail of messages containing the password for the echo was
 >> not considered secure enough.

 MVDV> Odd, You trust a self apointed e-list keeper who is not
 MVDV> accounatble to anyone with your echolist password, but you

   He is accountable to me and to all the other moderators.

 MVDV> will not trust a mail router that is subject to policy and
 MVDV> one that you can even chose yourself.

  I don't even know who the mail routers would be.   Once I upload a
  routed netmail to my uplink, I have no further control of where it
  goes.   Coming from someone who denigrates routed netmail and insists
  on the ability to do direct netmail, I find your argument for routing
  in this case to be rather self serving.

 MVDV> Souds like an excuse to me....

 MVDV>> That could heve been solved by using encryption.

 >   Which is forbidden in some circles.

 MVDV> Forbidden by whom?

  By policy.  And in some places by law.

 > And awkward to set up for the masses.  And not programmed for.

 MVDV> Excuses, excuses...

  You keep trying to make excuses for your position.   I am giving many
  legitimate reasons to which you have no other answer.

 > And against policy for routed netmail unless done via special
 > links who have given explicit permission to route encrypted traffic.

 MVDV> That goes for unencrypted mail as well. The only routed
 MVDV> mail with implied permission is host routed netmail. Any
 MVDV> other routing requires permission. Another excuse...

   Another stretch on your part.   Encrypted routed netmail is
   explicitly forbidden.   Routed netmail is not.  You are talking
   apples and oranges.

 MVDV>> I can not shred the suspicion that they just wanted the e-
 MVDV>> list to remain in Z1.

 >    For the reasons I stated, they wanted the updates of echos
 > for moderators in zone 1 to go to a zone 1 elist keeper.

 MVDV> Excuses...

  You have a new mantra?

 > That was, and still is, the majority of the moderators of
 > intercontinentally distributed echos.

 MVDV> Maybe. But why now the restriction to intercontinentally
 MVDV> distriburted echos? Don't all the arguments in favour of
 MVDV> the e-list that you continue to preech not hold for
 MVDV> regional mail as well?

  Yes, and many of them list their echos as well.

 MVDV> Indeed, whatever. It is all water under the bridge. My
 MVDV> point stands. By restarting their own list after the merger
 MVDV> failed, the Z1 sysops created a Z1 list and that's what it
 MVDV> still is: a Z1 list.

   Only in your mind.  It is an international list, used by moderators
   from multiple zones and networks, including the echo of which you are
   a moderator.

   If you and others want to boycott it -- be my guest.  If it causes a
   problem, so be it.  It is clear that you have your on attitude and
   will not accept any reason as to why it is not valid.

   
                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)


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