Text 25978, 91 rader
Skriven 2006-02-27 20:50:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 25940 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
Ärende: Elist mergers
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 MVDV>>> We don't really know if they all made a free choice do we?

 >>    They had multiple choices -- they could have sent their

 MVDV>> But only one of those choices - sending it to Thom - would
 MVDV>> have satisfied the requirement that it must be listed in
 MVDV>> the Z1 e-list in order to be carried by the Z1 backbone.

 >   Not true.  When they initially sent their updates to Thom,
 > he was one of several who had offered to keep an Elist that
 > moderators in Z1 could easily use.

When you wrote about the choice that was made by 400 moderators, you wrote in
the present tense, not the past tense. Yes, I suppose in the (short?) time
between Adrian turning his list over to Peter and the Backbone Guys recognising
Thom as the Z1 e-list keeper, they had indeed a free choice.

But that ended the minute Thom was recognised as "the" Z1 e-list keepers.
Sure;y among those 400 moderators that are there now, some only came on the
scene /after/ that.

So we don;t know if they all made a free choice.

 >>   If you are talking about the Elist that Thom maintains, then
 >> you could have gotten the information which was correct as of
 >> the day you wanted it.

 MVDV>> Had I been aware of it, yes. You are missing the point
 MVDV>> however: the point being that the list I was using was
 MVDV>> useless because the information was outdated by up to a
 MVDV>> month.

 > And so you put the blame for that onto the Elist that Thom maintains?

Who is to blame is irrelevant is beside the point. The point is that I
personally experienced that a list that can be up to a month out of date is
useless.

 >   There were many solutions.  However, as you often do, we
 > chose the simplest.

No you didn't. The simplest would have been to accept the successor appointed
by Adrian and send the updates to Peter.


 MVDV>> You should have my key by now.

 >    I do.


So that part worked.

 > We'll eventually see if my encrypted response to you gets
 > passed or blocked by whatever route is used to get netmail
 > to you and if you can decrypt it.

I got two messages from you. One saying "ignore this too" and one with an
ecncrypted message and a public key. They were routed via 1"123/500. The
messages routed via your host did not make it.

As you feared I have not been able to decrypt them however. My vesrion pf PGP
(2.6.1) can not handle it.

I took a look at the url in thge comment line of your key, but I am not sure if
I want to use /their/ version. The riginal PGP by Phil Zommerman was completely
free, but it seems now a commercial frim has taken charge of it and their are
all kinds of strings attached. I'll have to consider if I can trust them...

 > It remains to be proven that we can each trust the keys that we
 > will have exchanged.  That is one of the problems with PGP.

I am aware of that problem but how is it different from sending a mod update
for the first time? You send a message with a password to the e-list keeper.
How does he know the message with the password comes from you?

 MVDV>> So your were just kicking up dust and trying  to get me to
 MVDV>> do some needless work when you challenged me to explain how
 MVDV>> a message should be encrypted. Good to know you employ such
 MVDV>> tactics.

 >   I never said that I did not know how to establish secure
 >   communications.  I said that it is not easy, and that people
 > who try to do it often make very bad mistakes.


So do people who send mod updates to the e-list keeper.

Chers, Michiel

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